{"conversationCode":"019-181","tapeNumber":19,"conversationNumber":181,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-019-181","startDateTime":"1972-01-26T15:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-26T15:18:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Jan-1972","startTime":"10:17 AM","endDate":"26-Jan-1972","endTime":"10:18 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rogers, William P.;","description":"On January 26, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers talked on the telephone from 10:17 am to 10:18 am. 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Agnew\n          -Attitude\n                -The President’s recent Vietnam speech\n                -Budget meeting\n                -Compared to the President's conduct as Vice President\n                     -Dwight D. Eisenhower, John Foster Dulles\n\n     Barry M. Goldwater\n          -Comment about the North Vietnamese","filename":["019-181.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Rogers, William P."],"prevCode":"019-180","nextCode":"019-182","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.29,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.64,"end":3.4,"text":"Secretary Rogers."},{"start":3.42,"end":4.3,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":4.32,"end":10.18,"text":"Oh, before I get to the Dutchman, I just wanted to know, you did a hell of a good job there, and I was just sitting here, Bob Alderman."},{"start":10.83,"end":15.92,"text":"Doesn't it really piss you off that Agnew always is so goddamn negative at these meetings?"},{"start":15.94,"end":17.3,"text":"Yeah, I didn't mean to be."},{"start":17.32,"end":21.25,"text":"I think he was a little hurt, but Christy, he didn't listen to your speech."},{"start":21.27,"end":22.21,"text":"You said it in your speech."},{"start":22.23,"end":25.51,"text":"My God, but he hadn't heard the speech or listened or anything."},{"start":25.53,"end":29.68,"text":"The other point is, though, that, you know, you were there at the budget meeting, weren't you?"},{"start":29.7,"end":30.88,"text":"Remember the same thing?"},{"start":31.54,"end":39.69,"text":"And Jesus, he's a nice guy, but he just, I remember when I used to sit in that chair for eight years, you remember I'd sit in there and swallow and"},{"start":39.67,"end":45.12,"text":"But I was always trying to buck up for Eisenhower or Dulles and defending him and all that."},{"start":45.7,"end":50.66,"text":"I mean, you did and the rest, but God damn it, why does Agnew always have to raise the negatives?"},{"start":51.22,"end":53.58,"text":"It sounds as if he's on the other side."},{"start":53.92,"end":56.65,"text":"But it wasn't Goldwater good."},{"start":56.63,"end":58.48,"text":"Don, he's refreshing."},{"start":58.66,"end":59.2,"text":"Isn't he, though?"},{"start":59.22,"end":61.67,"text":"No, that's tough about sticking something up down there."},{"start":61.69,"end":66.19,"text":"Throw it down their throats and put it up the other way until it meets."},{"start":66.21,"end":66.97,"text":"Okay."},{"start":67.13,"end":68.24,"text":"Well, anyway, many thanks."},{"start":68.3,"end":69.7,"text":"Well, I thought it went very well."},{"start":70.06,"end":71.17,"text":"I seem to be pleased."},{"start":71.19,"end":72.82,"text":"Thank you very much."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon initiated this brief call to commend Secretary of State William P. Rogers for his recent performance and to vent frustrations regarding Vice President Spiro Agnew’s negativity during administration meetings. Nixon compared Agnew’s critical behavior unfavorably to his own loyal conduct while serving under President Eisenhower, noting that Agnew’s demeanor seemed to undermine the administration’s public messaging. The two also briefly touched upon Senator Barry Goldwater’s recent comments regarding North Vietnam.","topics":["Spiro T. Agnew","Executive branch relations","Political strategy","Vietnam War","Barry M. 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