{"conversationCode":"020-019","tapeNumber":20,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-020-019","startDateTime":"1972-02-02T14:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-02-02T14:15:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1972","startTime":"9:14 AM","endDate":"2-Feb-1972","endTime":"9:15 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Downing, Thomas N.;","description":"On February 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thomas N. Downing talked on the telephone from 9:14 am to 9:15 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 020-019 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 20-19\n\nDate: February 2, 1972\nTime: 9:14 am - 9:15 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Thomas N. Downing.\n\n[See Conversation No. 664-5]\n\n     Birthday greeting\n          -William E. Timmons\n          -Charles S. Gubser birthday\n\n     William F. (“Billy”) Graham visit to President\n\n     Downing’s schedule\n         -Prayer breakfast","filename":["020-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:43:48","tapeEnd":"00:44:35","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Downing, Thomas N."],"prevCode":"020-018","nextCode":"020-020","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.13,"text":"Fine."},{"start":1.29,"end":2.5,"text":"I have Congressman Downing."},{"start":2.52,"end":3.28,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.6,"end":4.24,"text":"President."},{"start":4.62,"end":4.96,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.98,"end":5.84,"text":"Mr. President."},{"start":5.86,"end":10.39,"text":"I just wanted to know that Bill Timmons is telling me he had a birthday yesterday."},{"start":10.53,"end":11.47,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":11.49,"end":17.58,"text":"And I thought you should know that you're in the same category as Charlie Goops, you know?"},{"start":17.6,"end":18.98,"text":"Is it Charlie, my age, too?"},{"start":18.96,"end":21.27,"text":"He's not your age, but he's your same birthday."},{"start":21.45,"end":22.27,"text":"He's older than you are."},{"start":22.53,"end":27.89,"text":"Mr. President, you do me a great honor, but to tell you the truth, I'm getting to the point where I don't want to talk about my birthdays anymore."},{"start":27.93,"end":31.58,"text":"Well, as a matter of fact, Billy Graham was in to see me yesterday, and he's exactly your same age."},{"start":31.6,"end":34.3,"text":"And if you just look as young as that guy does, you're doing okay."},{"start":34.36,"end":38.31,"text":"I was at the prayer breakfast yesterday morning, and both of you all look younger than I am."},{"start":38.97,"end":39.65,"text":"Don't say that."},{"start":40.81,"end":42.89,"text":"Well, anyway, you keep in good health."},{"start":42.91,"end":43.55,"text":"Thank you so much."},{"start":43.57,"end":44.21,"text":"Keep in good health."},{"start":44.45,"end":46.03,"text":"I deeply appreciate it."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Representative Thomas N. Downing engaged in a brief, informal exchange to exchange birthday greetings. During the call, they discussed shared birthdays among acquaintances, including Congressman Charles Gubser, and compared their physical appearances to that of Billy Graham. The conversation served primarily as a social pleasantry to foster rapport between the President and the Congressman.","topics":["Social Correspondence","Congress","Billy Graham","Personal Relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T01:53:25.348Z"},"topicSlugs":["social-correspondence","congress","billy-graham","personal-relations"],"audioDurationSec":47,"audioFiles":[{"file":"020-019.mp3","bytes":1128488,"durationSec":46.96,"bitrate":192241,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.938Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/020-019.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/020-019","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/20/conversation-020-019","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}