{"conversationCode":"021-123","tapeNumber":21,"conversationNumber":123,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-021-123","startDateTime":"1972-03-21T00:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-21T01:00:00.000Z","startDate":"20-Mar-1972","startTime":"7:59 PM","endDate":"20-Mar-1972","endTime":"8:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Connally, John B.;","description":"On March 20, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John B. Connally talked on the telephone from 7:59 pm to 8:00 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 021-123 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 21-123\n\nDate: March 20, 1972\n\nTime: 7:59 pm - 8:00 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with John B. Connally.\n\n     Narcotics\n          -The President’s previous remarks\n               -Permissiveness\n                     -Heroin\n                     -Marijuana\n                     -The President’s forthcoming remarks","filename":["021a.mp3","021c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:20:34","tapeEnd":"04:21:13","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"021-122","nextCode":"021-124","tapeTranscriptFile":"021a.mp3,021c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":8644.12,"end":8651.96,"text":"John, I didn't mean to bother you, but I wanted to be sure you agreed with what I said about this business on narcotics today, this permissiveness."},{"start":8652.08,"end":8652.74,"text":"Do you agree with me?"},{"start":8654.44,"end":8658.86,"text":"My God, we just can't go that way, you know, to give them heroin, give them marijuana."},{"start":8659.47,"end":8664.05,"text":"And I'm going to take a very hard line on it tomorrow, but I want to be sure you thought it was the right thing."},{"start":8665.97,"end":8666.23,"text":"Good."},{"start":8668.17,"end":8668.97,"text":"Okay, good."},{"start":8669.35,"end":8669.51,"text":"Good."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":8643.25,"end":8680.375,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with John B. Connally to confirm his ally's support for a hardline stance against drug permissiveness. Nixon expressed strong opposition to policies involving the legalization or distribution of heroin and marijuana. Connally affirmed his agreement with the President’s position, reinforcing Nixon's intent to promote these views in an upcoming public address.","topics":["Narcotics policy","Drug legalization","Permissiveness","Political strategy","Heroin","Marijuana"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:16:01.686Z"},"topicSlugs":["narcotics-policy","drug-legalization","permissiveness","political-strategy","heroin","marijuana"],"audioDurationSec":39,"audioFiles":[{"file":"021a.mp3","bytes":117251663,"durationSec":7400.66,"bitrate":126747,"missing":false},{"file":"021c.mp3","bytes":74569922,"durationSec":4671.26,"bitrate":127708,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.521Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/021a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/021c.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/021-123","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/21/conversation-021-123","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}