{"conversationCode":"022-022","tapeNumber":22,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-022-022","startDateTime":"1972-03-27T00:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-27T00:44:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Mar-1972","startTime":"7:39 PM","endDate":"26-Mar-1972","endTime":"7:44 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On March 26, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 7:39 pm to 7:44 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 022-022 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 22-22\n\nDate: March 26, 1972\nTime: 7:39 pm - 7:44 pm\n                                               19\n\n                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF\n\n                                     Tape Subject Log\n                                       (rev. 10/06)\n\n\n\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Charles W. Colson.\n\n     International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT] case\n           -Colson message to the President\n                 -Manolo Sanchez\n           -Dita D. Beard\n                 -Health\n                      -Questioning by Edward M. Kennedy\n                      -News report\n                      -Senators’ response\n                            -Conference\n                      -Diagnosis\n                            -Colson’s talk with an unknown doctor\n                      -Time\n                      -Diagnosis\n                            -News photographs\n           -Kennedy\n                 -Questioning of Beard\n                      -Beard’s consent to be questioned\n                            -Motives\n                      -Content\n                            -Unknown Colson source\n                            -Report\n                      -Possible wires to Kennedy\n                      -President’s possible statement\n                 -Questioning\n                      -Public response\n                      -News reports\n                            -Helen A. Thomas\n                            -Lyndon K. (“Mort”) Allin\n           -Beard\n                 -Questioning by Edward J. Gurney\n                 -Health\n                      -Senators’ response\n                      -Developments\n           -Unknown reporter\n           -White House strategy\n                 -Response\n\n     The President’s schedule\n                                              20\n\n                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF\n\n                                        Tape Subject Log\n                                          (rev. 10/06)","filename":["022-022.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:55:01","tapeEnd":"01:00:09","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"022-021","nextCode":"022-023","transcript":[{"start":1.47,"end":18.95,"text":"I'm sorry to disturb you, Mr. President."},{"start":18.97,"end":19.95,"text":"I just told Manola to take you a message that Mr."},{"start":19.97,"end":22.26,"text":"Beard had a heart attack following very sharp questioning from Senator Kennedy."},{"start":22.28,"end":22.42,"text":"He did?"},{"start":22.44,"end":22.62,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":22.64,"end":22.96,"text":"A heart seizure."},{"start":22.98,"end":23.5,"text":"We don't know how serious."},{"start":23.52,"end":24.1,"text":"And I don't have any details."},{"start":24.12,"end":26.98,"text":"I do know that, according to the wires and according to our reports, that Ted Kennedy was engaged in a series of very..."},{"start":27.35,"end":53.05,"text":"As the wires in the back get very awkward when you're questioning, a very sharp engagement between the two is going to be going to get interrupted as one question, and after adding a question, it's going to be passed down to the other party."},{"start":53.08,"end":54.98,"text":"So it's going to have to be a hell of a dramatic change, especially following Kevin's question."},{"start":55,"end":55.1,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":55.12,"end":56.28,"text":"You couldn't write a script like that without a jury book."},{"start":57.07,"end":75.97,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":76.95,"end":95.12,"text":"Well, it's a heart seizure."},{"start":95.14,"end":99.95,"text":"That's the doctor diagnosing it."},{"start":99.97,"end":100.63,"text":"That's the way they described it."},{"start":100.65,"end":101.23,"text":"The coralli had to be tested."},{"start":101.25,"end":102.29,"text":"A little while ago, I was trying to get the details."},{"start":102.31,"end":102.53,"text":"I couldn't."},{"start":102.55,"end":103.19,"text":"It happened about two hours ago."},{"start":103.21,"end":103.95,"text":"But I still think it was the details."},{"start":103.97,"end":105.8,"text":"I suppose that they're just trying to think of the way they're going to be able to play it."},{"start":105.82,"end":105.98,"text":"Correct."},{"start":106,"end":106.5,"text":"They're going to play it."},{"start":106.52,"end":106.94,"text":"No, I don't think so."},{"start":107.17,"end":113.38,"text":"They're not playing it that way."},{"start":113.4,"end":113.98,"text":"But she might die, of course."},{"start":114,"end":131.59,"text":"That's the reason it's hard for them to play that."},{"start":131.61,"end":131.71,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":131.73,"end":131.83,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":133.65,"end":144.22,"text":"What about the question that I said to you, I don't know what she said to you."},{"start":144.24,"end":144.5,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":153.43,"end":179.04,"text":"more you deal with what i probably will with it now but i just thought you'd be interested i wonder if he shouldn't get a few wires that one woman on your hands enough what i mean"},{"start":180.59,"end":196.33,"text":"It really is true."},{"start":196.43,"end":204.5,"text":"Well, it is."},{"start":204.53,"end":204.76,"text":"Well, it is."},{"start":204.78,"end":205.19,"text":"Well, it is."},{"start":205.21,"end":209.69,"text":"Well, it is."},{"start":209.71,"end":209.95,"text":"Well, it is."},{"start":209.97,"end":210.21,"text":"Well, it is."},{"start":210.48,"end":235.86,"text":"is that representative of what is being recorded is very dramatic and very very important journey apparently"},{"start":247.38,"end":272.95,"text":"I didn't want to interrupt you."},{"start":272.97,"end":273.59,"text":"I didn't want to interrupt you."},{"start":273.61,"end":273.91,"text":"Oh, no, no, no."},{"start":273.93,"end":274.41,"text":"That's very interesting."},{"start":274.43,"end":275.03,"text":"It could be a hell of a thing."},{"start":275.05,"end":275.31,"text":"That's right."},{"start":275.33,"end":276.19,"text":"I think tomorrow will be a hell of a thing."},{"start":276.53,"end":278.23,"text":"."},{"start":278.25,"end":278.75,"text":"."},{"start":279.17,"end":297.21,"text":"."},{"start":297.23,"end":297.25,"text":"."},{"start":297.27,"end":297.29,"text":"."},{"start":297.31,"end":299.89,"text":"."},{"start":299.99,"end":300.09,"text":"."},{"start":300.23,"end":300.33,"text":"."},{"start":300.35,"end":304.15,"text":"."},{"start":304.17,"end":305.53,"text":"."},{"start":305.55,"end":305.57,"text":"."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles W. Colson discussed the sudden collapse and reported heart seizure of Dita D. Beard during her intense questioning by Senator Edward M. Kennedy regarding the ITT case. Colson provided the President with details on the medical incident and speculated on the potential political fallout and media narrative surrounding the event. The two men agreed that the dramatic nature of the situation would likely dominate news coverage in the coming days.","topics":["ITT scandal","Dita Beard","Edward M. Kennedy","White House strategy","Political media coverage"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:19:05.805Z"},"topicSlugs":["itt-scandal","dita-beard","edward-m-kennedy","white-house-strategy","political-media-coverage"],"audioDurationSec":307,"audioFiles":[{"file":"022-022.mp3","bytes":7363395,"durationSec":306.74,"bitrate":192041,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.521Z","transcriptGapSeconds":157,"transcriptGapShare":0.51,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/022-022.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/022-022","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/22/conversation-022-022","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}