Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 022-029
Date: Monday, March 27, 1972 at 11:11 AM
Participants: Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Klein, Herbert G.
Recording device: White House Telephone
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/022-029

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[0:02] Mr. Holliman, Herb Klein.
[0:05] Herb?
[0:06] Hello, Bob.
[0:06] Hi.
[0:07] Where are you?
[0:08] In Anaheim.
[0:09] Anaheim?
[0:09] Yeah.
[0:10] You going to Cucamonga after that?
[0:12] Well, absolutely.
[0:12] Good.
[0:13] Herb, I'm sorry to bother you, but I just wanted to check on one thing on this Dita Beard testimony yesterday that either Miriam or Garrity at IT&T had had a call from the White House.
[0:25] You didn't call either of them, did you?
[0:27] No, I've never called either of them.
[0:29] What contact did you have with either of them?
[0:32] Any?
[0:32] None at all.
[0:34] Okay.
[0:35] I haven't seen Garrity, I don't think, since the campaign.
[0:38] And I don't know Miriam.
[0:40] Okay.
[0:41] And have you had any with anybody else?
[0:46] Where would that have come from?
[0:47] Do you know?
[0:48] Well, first, I haven't had any with anybody from IT&T.
[0:52] Yeah.
[0:53] And the only thing I knew was I got it from either Leon or Bob Wilson.
[0:58] Right.
[0:59] The theory that Bob Miriam had on this...
[1:03] in Express one morning was that Bob Wilson had been up the day before that memo and talked to Jeanine.
[1:13] And as Bob Wilson left Jeanine's office, he then saw Miriam sitting outside, and they got into a brief discussion about the money in which Miriam said he needed.
[1:28] They were in services, not in cash.
[1:30] Then according to Bob's theory... What, Bob Miriam?
[1:35] No, Bob Martian.
[1:36] Bob Martian.
[1:36] Yeah.
[1:37] Yeah.
[1:37] His theory is that then, and he's talked to Wilson about it, that Wilson then called Dieter Beard and said, what's Miriam doing interfering with him?
[1:45] Martian, you mean?
[1:47] No, Wilson called Miriam.
[1:49] Called Miriam?
[1:50] No, he's called Dieter Beard, excuse me.
[1:52] Called Dieter Beard.
[1:53] And said, what's Miriam doing interfering with him?
[1:54] You mean Martian?
[1:56] martians out of just this is all martians theory i see and that's funny and as a result of his talks with wilson and a couple people i see and then of course for pursuing this theory the beard uh found out that jack gleason had had had to actually talk to miriam to bill bill miriam no to whatever well what are your yeah i guess it's bill the itt the itt miriam yeah
[2:25] And I think that Bill Timmons had talked to Gleason at one point, because Bill was trying to find out what was going on.
[2:35] Right.
[2:37] So the Martian theory is that when she refers to a White House person, she's referring to Gleason, and that Gleason was referring to a thing that came in from the side door with Bill Timmons trying to inquire from him.
[2:51] Just what was his status, huh?
[2:52] Yeah.
[2:53] Yeah.
[2:53] Yeah, okay.
[2:54] And so there was a jealousy factor in there that Dita Beard got, so what the hell is Miriam trying to cool the deal that Wilson has?
[3:00] Yeah, I see.
[3:02] The one other thing, I don't know if I mentioned it or not, is that among Dita Beard's friends is Bob Wilson's secretary, Maggie, who's been there a long time.
[3:13] And so there's some relationship back and forth.
[3:17] But what I'm expressing is a theory that seems fairly logical to me,
[3:21] but when I don't know whether it's true.
[3:23] Yeah.
[3:24] That figures.
[3:25] Yeah.
[3:26] Okay.
[3:27] Okay, everything else fine?
[3:28] Yep.
[3:29] All right, I'm going to San Diego this afternoon.
[3:31] I'll be back there tomorrow.
[3:32] Good.
[3:33] Okay.
[3:33] Okay.
[3:33] Thanks, Bob.
[3:34] Thanks.