{"conversationCode":"022-075","tapeNumber":22,"conversationNumber":75,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-022-075","startDateTime":"1972-04-04T15:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-04T15:46:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Apr-1972","startTime":"10:45 AM","endDate":"4-Apr-1972","endTime":"10:46 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On April 4, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz talked on the telephone from 10:45 am to 10:46 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 022-075 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 22-75\n\nDate: April 4, 1972\nTime: 10:45 am - 10:46 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with George P. Shultz.\n\n     The President’s meeting with Robert S. Ingersoll\n          -Ingersoll’s forthcoming trip\n               -Chicago\n\n               -Tokyo\n          -Ingersoll\n               -The President’s view\n          -Ingersoll’s remarks on Shultz\n          -Ingersoll’s job as ambassador\n               -The President’s view\n               -The President’s letters to Eisaku Sato and Takeo Fukuda","filename":["022-075.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:05:16","tapeEnd":"03:06:20","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Shultz, George P."],"prevCode":"022-074","nextCode":"022-076","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.05,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.13,"end":2.47,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3.46,"end":7.14,"text":"I just thought you would be interested to hear."},{"start":7.16,"end":10.44,"text":"I just had my talk with Ingersoll before taking off."},{"start":10.48,"end":12.4,"text":"He's going to Chicago and then over to Tokyo tomorrow."},{"start":13.33,"end":18.73,"text":"And I was just, again, enormously impressed with him."},{"start":18.75,"end":22.48,"text":"He's so decent and soft-spoken and well-spoken and yet strong."},{"start":23.4,"end":24.1,"text":"And that..."},{"start":24.36,"end":29.89,"text":"At the end of the conversation, he came to you and he says, you know what really convinced me to take this job?"},{"start":29.91,"end":34.02,"text":"He says, when you appointed George Shultz to be a member of our board, when a fellow like that would"},{"start":34.78,"end":40.66,"text":"You'd pick a guy like that, he says, I figured I'd like to be a part of it, so I thought you'd be pleased to hear that."},{"start":40.91,"end":45.43,"text":"Let me say that it was good that you found him, because I think this guy's going to be superb over there."},{"start":46.09,"end":47.03,"text":"He'll be good."},{"start":47.27,"end":49.38,"text":"Well, he's just, he's going to be loyal and good."},{"start":49.76,"end":50.2,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":50.5,"end":54.24,"text":"He'll be very loyal and be looking for, I mean, he's your man."},{"start":54.52,"end":55.37,"text":"Right, right."},{"start":55.47,"end":56.81,"text":"Oh, yes, yes."},{"start":56.95,"end":61.79,"text":"Well, we're sending special letters over to, private letters to Sato and Fukuda, so they'll know."},{"start":62.05,"end":62.66,"text":"Very fine."},{"start":62.9,"end":63.6,"text":"Appreciate that."},{"start":63.62,"end":64.38,"text":"All right, George, bye."},{"start":64.36,"end":65.21,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and George Shultz discussed the upcoming diplomatic assignment of Robert S. Ingersoll, who was preparing to travel to Tokyo to serve as ambassador. Shultz reported that Ingersoll’s decision to accept the position was directly influenced by his high regard for Shultz’s own appointment within the administration. The President confirmed that he would send private letters to Japanese leaders Eisaku Sato and Takeo Fukuda to facilitate a smooth transition for the new ambassador.","topics":["Robert S. Ingersoll","George Shultz","U.S.-Japan relations","Diplomatic appointments","Eisaku Sato","Takeo Fukuda"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:23:54.638Z"},"topicSlugs":["robert-s-ingersoll","george-shultz","u-s-japan-relations","diplomatic-appointments","eisaku-sato","takeo-fukuda"],"audioDurationSec":65,"audioFiles":[{"file":"022-075.mp3","bytes":1565465,"durationSec":65.16,"bitrate":192208,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.521Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/022-075.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/022-075","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/22/conversation-022-075","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}