{"conversationCode":"022-150","tapeNumber":22,"conversationNumber":150,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-022-150","startDateTime":"1972-04-16T15:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-16T19:25:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Apr-1972","startTime":"10:55 AM","endDate":"16-Apr-1972","endTime":"2:25 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On April 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:55 am and 2:25 pm. 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Burns\n                      -Previous talk with Woods\n                           -Support for the President\n          -Political consequences\n\n          -Ships and planes\n\n     Woods’s schedule\n         -Dinner\n               -Sequoia\n               -Camp David","filename":["022-150.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:47:31","tapeEnd":"05:49:14","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"022-149","nextCode":"022-151","transcript":[{"start":1.13,"end":1.61,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.63,"end":2.93,"text":"Miss Woods, sir."},{"start":2.95,"end":5.27,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.29,"end":5.79,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6.05,"end":6.59,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6.61,"end":7.01,"text":"Hi, Rose."},{"start":7.35,"end":11.82,"text":"What I was calling you about is now I've been put off for a while."},{"start":11.84,"end":17.26,"text":"We were thinking of going to Camp David for the afternoon, but there's a hell of a thunderstorm up there."},{"start":17.28,"end":18.34,"text":"Oh, I see."},{"start":18.36,"end":18.9,"text":"So we can't go."},{"start":18.92,"end":25.11,"text":"I was over there at the office around the left about 5 or 12 and went to church and came on home."},{"start":25.13,"end":30.27,"text":"No, no, I just called you to see if we, but we were going to go at 1 o'clock and we found we couldn't go."},{"start":31.01,"end":53.61,"text":"couldn't make it yeah it looks a little like there might be a thunderstorm somewhere well i just ran into arthur burns as i was coming back into my building oh yeah and he said you know he said i i just have to tell you that i am so proud he said i know that that this could this what the president's having to do now could be politically bad it's the only honorable honest"},{"start":53.73,"end":54.59,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":55.15,"end":55.61,"text":"Good for him."},{"start":55.67,"end":62.24,"text":"He's done it, and he said, I've been telling everybody, he knows what the political consequences are."},{"start":62.46,"end":64.48,"text":"He was so proud he got tears in his eyes."},{"start":64.9,"end":65.64,"text":"I'm not worried about it."},{"start":66.7,"end":71.05,"text":"Political or not, we're not going to lose the war."},{"start":71.15,"end":72.21,"text":"That's the point."},{"start":72.23,"end":72.97,"text":"And we don't need to."},{"start":73.01,"end":73.51,"text":"That's the point."},{"start":73.57,"end":74.88,"text":"No, we don't."},{"start":74.9,"end":77.76,"text":"We're putting it all on the line, and they know it, too."},{"start":78.75,"end":83.48,"text":"Yeah, well, that's... We sure got those ships and planes in there now like nobody's business."},{"start":83.76,"end":84.06,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":84.12,"end":89.85,"text":"Well, anyway, if you would like to... Are you free this afternoon and evening or not?"},{"start":89.87,"end":90.83,"text":"What is your situation?"},{"start":90.85,"end":92.54,"text":"Sure, I'm just working on, you know... Fine."},{"start":92.56,"end":94.36,"text":"Well, why don't you stay free and we'll..."},{"start":94.38,"end":99.09,"text":"If we're not, we'll have dinner here or maybe on the boat or go up there at 4, 3.30 or 4, but we'll see."},{"start":99.13,"end":99.35,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":99.37,"end":99.47,"text":"Okay."},{"start":99.51,"end":100.13,"text":"I'll call you later."},{"start":100.15,"end":100.31,"text":"Bye."},{"start":100.33,"end":101.03,"text":"All right."},{"start":101.05,"end":101.13,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, discuss the cancellation of a planned trip to Camp David due to inclement weather and coordinate Woods's availability for the remainder of the day. During the call, Woods relays supportive sentiments from Arthur Burns regarding the President’s recent decision to escalate Vietnam air strikes despite potential political fallout. Nixon emphasizes his resolve to avoid losing the war, citing the significant deployment of naval and air assets as evidence of his commitment.","topics":["Camp David","Vietnam War","Air strikes","Arthur F. Burns","Political consequences","Military strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:30:42.422Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","vietnam-war","air-strikes","arthur-f-burns","political-consequences","military-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":102,"audioFiles":[{"file":"022-150.mp3","bytes":2458852,"durationSec":102.4,"bitrate":192097,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.522Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/022-150.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/022-150","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/22/conversation-022-150","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}