{"conversationCode":"022-153","tapeNumber":22,"conversationNumber":153,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-022-153","startDateTime":"1972-04-16T19:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-16T19:36:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Apr-1972","startTime":"2:35 PM","endDate":"16-Apr-1972","endTime":"2:36 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On April 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 2:35 pm to 2:36 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 022-153 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 22-153\n\nDate: April 16, 1972\nTime: 2:35 pm - 2:36 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.\n\n     Kissinger’s location\n\n     Kissinger’s schedule\n\n     Vietnam\n          -Report from Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n\n     Return call","filename":["022-153.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:54:12","tapeEnd":"05:54:56","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"022-152","nextCode":"022-154","transcript":[{"start":1.55,"end":1.99,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.47,"end":3.49,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.97,"end":4.17,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.41,"end":5.09,"text":"Mr. President."},{"start":5.11,"end":6.64,"text":"You are out to lunch, aren't you?"},{"start":7.78,"end":10.92,"text":"I'm at that lunch for the christening, but I can talk where I am."},{"start":10.94,"end":11.36,"text":"Oh, no, no, no."},{"start":11.38,"end":12.9,"text":"Well, I don't need to, no."},{"start":13.02,"end":14.75,"text":"No, no, but I can talk from here."},{"start":14.93,"end":15.47,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":16.73,"end":19.15,"text":"When will you finish and so forth?"},{"start":19.19,"end":21.89,"text":"Maybe in about half an hour, 45 minutes."},{"start":21.93,"end":23.14,"text":"No, but I mean, let me see."},{"start":23.52,"end":25.08,"text":"I don't want you to make any special..."},{"start":25.12,"end":27.43,"text":"Were you coming back here anyway, or where were you going?"},{"start":27.47,"end":27.93,"text":"Going home?"},{"start":27.95,"end":29.37,"text":"I was going home, yes."},{"start":29.59,"end":29.69,"text":"Fine."},{"start":29.85,"end":32.09,"text":"Well, I see no reason to, no need to, then."},{"start":32.59,"end":35.78,"text":"I'll give you... We had the first reports from Hague, Mr. President."},{"start":35.8,"end":36,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":36.02,"end":39.9,"text":"Well, why don't you just wait until you get back, and at your convenience, you give them to me, okay?"},{"start":39.92,"end":40.7,"text":"Because I'm in no hurry."},{"start":41.01,"end":41.87,"text":"Right, Mr. President."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger spoke briefly to coordinate a follow-up briefing regarding recent reports from Alexander Haig. Kissinger, who was attending a personal engagement, provided a preliminary update on the situation in Vietnam. The President deferred a detailed discussion until Kissinger returned home, prioritizing a formal report over an immediate phone conversation.","topics":["Vietnam","Alexander Haig","Foreign Policy","Diplomatic Briefings","Nixon-Kissinger relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:30:58.951Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam","alexander-haig","foreign-policy","diplomatic-briefings","nixon-kissinger-relations"],"audioDurationSec":44,"audioFiles":[{"file":"022-153.mp3","bytes":1052002,"durationSec":43.77,"bitrate":192278,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.522Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/022-153.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/022-153","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/22/conversation-022-153","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}