{"conversationCode":"022-160","tapeNumber":22,"conversationNumber":160,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-022-160","startDateTime":"1972-04-16T20:57:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-16T21:09:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Apr-1972","startTime":"3:57 PM","endDate":"16-Apr-1972","endTime":"4:09 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Graham, William F. (\"Billy\");","description":"On April 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and William F. (\"Billy\") Graham talked on the telephone from 3:57 pm to 4:09 pm. 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(“Scoop”) Jackson\n                    -Hubert H. Humphrey\n                    -Edmund S. Muskie\n         -Treatment by Republicans\n         -Children\n               -Luci Baines (Johnson) Turpin\n               -Lynda Bird (Johnson) Robb\n\n     Vietnam strikes\n\nA brief disconnection or telephone malfunction occurred at an unknown time.\n\n          -Success\n          -Haiphong area\n\nRecording was disconnected at an unknown time between 3:57 pm and 4:09 pm.","filename":["022-160.mp3"],"tapeStart":"06:22:18","tapeEnd":" ","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Graham, William F. (\"Billy\")"],"prevCode":"022-159","nextCode":"023-001","transcript":[{"start":1.42,"end":3.44,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":3.46,"end":5.34,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.36,"end":5.82,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":6.96,"end":8.36,"text":"Billy, have you been feeling all right?"},{"start":10.12,"end":12.61,"text":"Yeah, that's good, that's good."},{"start":13.59,"end":14.23,"text":"Oh, I'm fine."},{"start":14.51,"end":23.7,"text":"You know, John Connolly's not been feeling too well, and as you probably know, he's had a little bit worried about his high blood pressure."},{"start":24.48,"end":30.57,"text":"He told me that he talked to you and you recommended some medicine, but he went back home to Texas this weekend."},{"start":30.59,"end":31.07,"text":"Maybe that'll"},{"start":31.47,"end":32.57,"text":"make him feel better."},{"start":32.59,"end":39.72,"text":"He gets too stirred up about stuff, you know."},{"start":39.74,"end":44.71,"text":"That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right."},{"start":44.73,"end":56,"text":"Well, he's a very intense fellow, you know, underneath that very extrovert exterior, and he just gets, you know, he gets stirred up."},{"start":56.88,"end":61.41,"text":"But he has never had high blood pressure before, and I think that's why it worries him."},{"start":61.95,"end":63.75,"text":"But people can have it."},{"start":63.77,"end":65.07,"text":"They get over it."},{"start":65.09,"end":67.47,"text":"It's not going to be neither here nor there."},{"start":67.49,"end":71.51,"text":"That's what I told him."},{"start":71.53,"end":78.36,"text":"We were talking about it on Monday this week."},{"start":78.38,"end":78.86,"text":"I said, you get over it."},{"start":78.88,"end":79.42,"text":"And it's just one of those."},{"start":82.64,"end":84.16,"text":"Well, I'll take a little time."},{"start":84.18,"end":85.17,"text":"We'll get it over."},{"start":85.99,"end":87.49,"text":"I got your message from Johnson."},{"start":87.57,"end":88.75,"text":"I appreciated that very much."},{"start":89.47,"end":91.21,"text":"Apparently, you had a good talk with him."},{"start":94.4,"end":96.18,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":96.2,"end":120.88,"text":"No, the only thing is..."},{"start":132.35,"end":148.09,"text":"Very nice."},{"start":148.61,"end":154.34,"text":"You know, as a matter of fact, Billy, his party has treated him shamefully, too."},{"start":154.52,"end":157.19,"text":"Not one of those Democratic candidates has gone down to see him."},{"start":157.83,"end":158.07,"text":"You know?"},{"start":158.66,"end":161.18,"text":"And that's just a vicious thing."},{"start":161.2,"end":165.83,"text":"I mean, I think Jackson might have, I don't know, but I don't even know whether he did."},{"start":165.85,"end":174.56,"text":"Well, now, after all, to treat him like a pariah is not right after the way he made Humphrey and he made Muskie, both of them."},{"start":174.58,"end":176.5,"text":"And so I think, but I don't know."},{"start":179.51,"end":180.09,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":180.11,"end":188.26,"text":"See, he would expect a Republican on the other side, after whom he'd taken on pretty good to treat him badly, but his own party"},{"start":188.61,"end":193.35,"text":"He's just wrong."},{"start":193.37,"end":193.93,"text":"His children."},{"start":195.19,"end":196.86,"text":"Right."},{"start":196.88,"end":200.52,"text":"Right."},{"start":200.54,"end":201.16,"text":"Right."},{"start":201.18,"end":201.5,"text":"Right."},{"start":201.52,"end":201.64,"text":"Right."},{"start":201.66,"end":203.06,"text":"Right."},{"start":203.08,"end":204.14,"text":"Right."},{"start":204.16,"end":209.55,"text":"Incidentally, I think you should be pleased to know that the strikes we had."},{"start":209.67,"end":210.33,"text":"Hello."},{"start":211.29,"end":212.13,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":212.21,"end":213.93,"text":"Just the operator."},{"start":214.21,"end":217.22,"text":"The strikes we had yesterday were enormously successful."},{"start":217.85,"end":220.56,"text":"on the Haiphong area."},{"start":220.58,"end":220.84,"text":"We took that."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Reverend Billy Graham discussed the health of John Connally and shared personal reflections on the current treatment of former President Lyndon B. 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