{"conversationCode":"023-059","tapeNumber":23,"conversationNumber":59,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-023-059","startDateTime":"1972-04-25T16:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-25T17:00:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1972","startTime":"11:20 AM","endDate":"25-Apr-1972","endTime":"12:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On April 25, 1972, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:20 am and 12:00 pm. 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Ziegler's office\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown woman at an unknown time.\n\n     Ziegler's location\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown woman at an unknown time.\n\n     Ziegler's location\n\nThe President talked with Ziegler at an unknown time.\n\n     Haldeman's call\n\n     Press briefing\n           -Press reaction\n           -The President's location\n                 -Question\n                       -The President's credibility\n           -Henry A. Kissinger's briefing\n           -The President's meeting with Ziegler and Kissinger\n                 -Time","filename":["023-059.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L.","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"023-058","nextCode":"023-060","transcript":[{"start":0.52,"end":5.45,"text":"Bring Ziegler's office, please."},{"start":5.57,"end":6.19,"text":"This is Haldeman."},{"start":6.21,"end":6.59,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":7.81,"end":8.81,"text":"Did you want him or just anybody?"},{"start":8.83,"end":9.63,"text":"I'll just ring his office."},{"start":9.65,"end":10.11,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":10.13,"end":10.63,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":15.72,"end":16.96,"text":"Office of the Press Secretary."},{"start":17.1,"end":17.78,"text":"This is Bob Haldeman."},{"start":17.8,"end":18.74,"text":"Is Ziegler still briefing?"},{"start":19.08,"end":19.42,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":19.44,"end":20.06,"text":"He's finished."},{"start":20.08,"end":21.29,"text":"Would you like to speak to him?"},{"start":21.36,"end":21.46,"text":"Okay."},{"start":32.99,"end":33.89,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":34.05,"end":34.65,"text":"Is Ron there?"},{"start":34.67,"end":36.03,"text":"Yes, there he is."},{"start":36.05,"end":36.29,"text":"Ron?"},{"start":36.95,"end":40.04,"text":"Hello, I'll take it."},{"start":40.06,"end":40.8,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":40.82,"end":41.28,"text":"Hello, Ron?"},{"start":41.52,"end":42.28,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":42.3,"end":43.36,"text":"Yes, sir, Mr. President."},{"start":43.56,"end":44.62,"text":"They said it was Bob Haldeman."},{"start":44.64,"end":44.94,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":45.18,"end":49.29,"text":"Well, why do you treat him with that kind of disrespect?"},{"start":49.31,"end":50.19,"text":"I'm sorry, Mr. President."},{"start":50.25,"end":53.37,"text":"I apologize, sir."},{"start":53.39,"end":55.76,"text":"Did your little assholes, were they surprised?"},{"start":55.78,"end":56.04,"text":"Right."},{"start":56.06,"end":60.68,"text":"They ran out of the room on clock schedule, broke down a couple of the walls."},{"start":62.22,"end":62.88,"text":"Did they whine?"},{"start":63.42,"end":64.26,"text":"No, they didn't."},{"start":64.28,"end":65.28,"text":"They really didn't at all."},{"start":65.32,"end":70.69,"text":"We got one question about, you know, well, you said, what does this do to your credibility when you said you were at Camp David?"},{"start":71.87,"end":72.73,"text":"Well, Henry answered it."},{"start":72.75,"end":74.63,"text":"Oh, is Henry finished already?"},{"start":74.69,"end":75.06,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":75.33,"end":76.1,"text":"We did it very quick."},{"start":76.12,"end":77.52,"text":"He made a couple points, and we got out."},{"start":77.76,"end":80.04,"text":"He didn't go any more than three, four minutes."},{"start":80.06,"end":82.69,"text":"Why don't you and Henry come over and tell me about it?"},{"start":82.79,"end":83.65,"text":"Okay, fine, sir."},{"start":83.69,"end":84.73,"text":"You pick him up and bring him over."},{"start":84.77,"end":86.23,"text":"Okay, I'm going to read this just briefly."},{"start":86.25,"end":87.37,"text":"We'll be there in about five minutes."},{"start":87.75,"end":88.25,"text":"Is that okay, sir?"},{"start":88.68,"end":89.1,"text":"Yeah, sure."},{"start":89.24,"end":89.34,"text":"Fine."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon, H. R. Haldeman, and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss the aftermath of a press briefing conducted by Ziegler and Henry Kissinger regarding the President's recent activities. Nixon probes the media's reaction and specific questioning concerning his recent stay at Camp David and his overall credibility. To debrief on the session's tone and effectiveness, the President instructs Ziegler to bring Kissinger to the Oval Office for a meeting.","topics":["Press relations","Presidential credibility","Henry Kissinger","White House communications","Media strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:37:04.576Z"},"topicSlugs":["press-relations","presidential-credibility","henry-kissinger","white-house-communications","media-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":91,"audioFiles":[{"file":"023-059.mp3","bytes":2192404,"durationSec":91.28,"bitrate":192138,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.839Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/023-059.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/023-059","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/23/conversation-023-059","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}