{"conversationCode":"023-063","tapeNumber":23,"conversationNumber":63,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-023-063","startDateTime":"1972-04-25T18:38:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-25T18:39:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1972","startTime":"1:38 PM","endDate":"25-Apr-1972","endTime":"1:39 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On April 25, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 1:38 pm to 1:39 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 023-063 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 23-63\n\nDate: April 25, 1972\nTime: 1:38-1:39 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 332-42]\n\n     Vietnam\n          -Lead stories\n          -White House Press Corps\n          -Wire stories","filename":["023-063.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"023-062","nextCode":"023-064","transcript":[{"start":1.11,"end":3.44,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.44,"end":6.96,"text":"Bob said the lead's ran all right."},{"start":7.1,"end":7.5,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":7.52,"end":9.79,"text":"The wires are running very good."},{"start":9.91,"end":12.73,"text":"How about the jackasses out there?"},{"start":12.88,"end":15.72,"text":"You shook them a bit, didn't you?"},{"start":15.74,"end":16.5,"text":"Sure did."},{"start":16.8,"end":18.75,"text":"Of course, they've been doing a lot of writing."},{"start":19.07,"end":19.77,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":19.79,"end":20.55,"text":"And back at 3."},{"start":20.83,"end":21.19,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":21.21,"end":27.17,"text":"But the wire leach ran very well, and both of them got the very clear information."},{"start":27.19,"end":28.68,"text":"At 3 o'clock, you announced my speech."},{"start":28.96,"end":29.48,"text":"In the lead."},{"start":29.64,"end":30.22,"text":"Fine."},{"start":30.24,"end":30.9,"text":"Good."},{"start":30.92,"end":31.26,"text":"Okay."},{"start":31.28,"end":32.79,"text":"So I think it's going very well."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler consulted on media coverage regarding Vietnam, confirming that wire stories and press reports were trending favorably. They discussed the impact of Nixon’s recent public statements on the White House press corps, noting that the administration had successfully unsettled critics. Ziegler confirmed that the President’s upcoming speech would be prominently featured in the 3:00 p.m. news cycle.","topics":["Vietnam","White House Press Corps","Media relations","Public relations","Presidential speeches"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:37:26.678Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam","white-house-press-corps","media-relations","public-relations","presidential-speeches"],"audioDurationSec":33,"audioFiles":[{"file":"023-063.mp3","bytes":805615,"durationSec":33.49,"bitrate":192428,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.840Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/023-063.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/023-063","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/23/conversation-023-063","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}