{"conversationCode":"023-070","tapeNumber":23,"conversationNumber":70,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-023-070","startDateTime":"1972-04-25T19:13:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-25T19:15:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1972","startTime":"2:13 PM","endDate":"25-Apr-1972","endTime":"2:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On April 25, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 2:13 pm to 2:15 pm. 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Vorontsov\n                     -Responses\n\n     Kissinger's meeting with the President\n\f           -Review of speech","filename":["023-070.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"023-069","nextCode":"023-071","transcript":[{"start":1.77,"end":2.39,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":2.41,"end":3.19,"text":"Mr. Kissinger, sir."},{"start":3.21,"end":3.37,"text":"Ready?"},{"start":4.83,"end":5.66,"text":"Mr. President?"},{"start":5.74,"end":6.26,"text":"Hi, Henry."},{"start":7.3,"end":10.09,"text":"Uh, did you talk to Kay Graham?"},{"start":10.11,"end":12.15,"text":"I put him... Yeah, she wasn't there."},{"start":12.17,"end":15.78,"text":"I called her, and she was out, and I'm waiting for her return call."},{"start":15.91,"end":16.64,"text":"Fine, fine."},{"start":17.2,"end":19.96,"text":"We'll see you about 3.15, okay?"},{"start":20.3,"end":21.88,"text":"Okay, we talked to Reagan."},{"start":21.96,"end":22.64,"text":"He's delighted."},{"start":23.22,"end":23.56,"text":"Was he?"},{"start":23.84,"end":24.24,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":24.26,"end":25.02,"text":"Great."},{"start":25.04,"end":28.29,"text":"He says, just as long as we keep doing the other things."},{"start":28.59,"end":29.31,"text":"Bombing, right."},{"start":29.91,"end":32.99,"text":"He understands everything else, not only understanding."},{"start":33.03,"end":36.34,"text":"And you feel the play, the thing that you're seeing is okay."},{"start":36.36,"end":37.04,"text":"What is your feeling?"},{"start":37.08,"end":38.34,"text":"Too heavy on Vietnam."},{"start":38.96,"end":40.59,"text":"Yeah, I know, a little too heavy, but..."},{"start":41.09,"end":43.11,"text":"you couldn't avoid that, could you?"},{"start":43.5,"end":48.47,"text":"No, and I sent the text over to Vorontsov so that he sees I didn't start it."},{"start":48.61,"end":49.98,"text":"You didn't do a damn thing."},{"start":50.12,"end":51.94,"text":"As a matter of fact, the president didn't."},{"start":52.29,"end":55.4,"text":"And that we tried to, but the press is speculating."},{"start":55.76,"end":58.94,"text":"Put this on the basis of the press speculating on a Vietnam, okay?"},{"start":59.14,"end":60.7,"text":"Right, right, right."},{"start":60.72,"end":62.62,"text":"But I think we are in great shape."},{"start":62.82,"end":63.18,"text":"Fine."},{"start":63.2,"end":64.85,"text":"The press is all calling."},{"start":64.95,"end":65.93,"text":"I'm not talking to them."},{"start":65.97,"end":67.07,"text":"Don't, don't, don't call them."},{"start":67.09,"end":68.09,"text":"Don't talk to them."},{"start":68.27,"end":69.15,"text":"They're all..."},{"start":69.17,"end":71.43,"text":"They must be out of their goddamn minds."},{"start":71.45,"end":72.25,"text":"Absolutely."},{"start":72.88,"end":79.92,"text":"Yeah, three o'clock, as I said, I've got the speech, and we'll go over it with you, and then sleep about it, okay?"},{"start":80.76,"end":80.98,"text":"Right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discussed upcoming public relations strategy regarding the Vietnam War, specifically noting Governor Ronald Reagan's strong support for the administration's bombing campaign. Kissinger reported that he shared speech materials with Soviet diplomat Yuli Vorontsov to clarify the U.S. position amidst intense press speculation. 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