{"conversationCode":"023-086","tapeNumber":23,"conversationNumber":86,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-023-086","startDateTime":"1972-04-26T21:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-26T21:31:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Apr-1972","startTime":"4:10 PM","endDate":"26-Apr-1972","endTime":"4:31 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Kissinger, Henry A.; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 26, 1972, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:10 pm and 4:31 pm. 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Byrd\n                    -Time\n\nKissinger conferred with the President at an unknown time.\n\n     Verification of Senate Democratic caucus meeting time\n\n[End of conferral]\n\n     Vietnam\n          -Democratic caucus\n              -Kissinger's conversation with Byrd\n                    -Byrd's reaction\n              -Change of time\n                    -Method\n              -Byrd","filename":["023-086.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Kissinger, Henry A.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"023-085","nextCode":"023-087","transcript":[{"start":0.54,"end":1.7,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.08,"end":4.42,"text":"Oh, it's Mr. Haldeman wants to see you."},{"start":4.44,"end":4.72,"text":"Henry?"},{"start":5.23,"end":5.85,"text":"Bob."},{"start":5.87,"end":9.39,"text":"I talked to Bird and he says the caucus is next Wednesday, not tomorrow."},{"start":9.81,"end":10.64,"text":"No caucus tomorrow?"},{"start":10.8,"end":11.56,"text":"That's what he says."},{"start":12.7,"end":13.54,"text":"The Senate caucus?"},{"start":13.8,"end":14.64,"text":"That's what he says."},{"start":16.23,"end":16.49,"text":"Great."},{"start":17.33,"end":22.48,"text":"I mean, you can check it, but just don't... Bird was very goofy about that being caught."},{"start":22.98,"end":24.12,"text":"talking to us."},{"start":24.66,"end":24.86,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":25.14,"end":27.37,"text":"But he said it was next Wednesday."},{"start":27.61,"end":28.11,"text":"Okay."},{"start":28.13,"end":30.33,"text":"Maybe they've changed it then on their own initiative."},{"start":30.87,"end":31.27,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":31.29,"end":31.79,"text":"That's great."},{"start":31.81,"end":37.7,"text":"He said the way he changed is to make them put the request in writing and that he only received today, so he put it for next Wednesday."},{"start":37.72,"end":39.14,"text":"Oh, so he did change it."},{"start":39.5,"end":40.28,"text":"That's what he says."},{"start":40.6,"end":40.92,"text":"I see."},{"start":41.2,"end":43.47,"text":"I thought you meant it had already been changed."},{"start":43.51,"end":43.77,"text":"No, no."},{"start":43.81,"end":44.79,"text":"It is changed now."},{"start":44.85,"end":45.51,"text":"You've got it changed."},{"start":45.81,"end":46.11,"text":"No, no."},{"start":46.29,"end":47.23,"text":"It had been changed."},{"start":47.31,"end":48.81,"text":"He had already gotten it changed."},{"start":48.83,"end":49.39,"text":"I see."},{"start":49.41,"end":49.81,"text":"Excellent."},{"start":50.32,"end":50.88,"text":"Okay."},{"start":51,"end":52.14,"text":"If you want to confirm it."},{"start":52.32,"end":53.28,"text":"No, that's fine."},{"start":53.32,"end":55.21,"text":"But we can rely on him, can't we?"},{"start":55.27,"end":55.85,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":56.07,"end":59.56,"text":"Our original information was still right, that they were planning to have it tomorrow."},{"start":60.02,"end":61.38,"text":"They were planning to have it this week."},{"start":61.4,"end":61.74,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":61.76,"end":62.72,"text":"But then he screwed it up."},{"start":62.74,"end":62.96,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":63.27,"end":63.85,"text":"Good."},{"start":63.87,"end":64.27,"text":"Good."},{"start":64.29,"end":64.91,"text":"Perfect."},{"start":64.93,"end":65.27,"text":"Right."},{"start":65.29,"end":66.19,"text":"Okay, thanks."},{"start":66.45,"end":66.57,"text":"Right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"H. R. Haldeman, Henry Kissinger, and President Nixon coordinated regarding the scheduling of a Senate Democratic caucus, which had been a point of concern for the administration's Vietnam policy strategy. Kissinger reported that Senator Robert C. Byrd successfully delayed the caucus from the following day until the next Wednesday by requiring a formal written request. The group expressed satisfaction with this development, concluding that the delay had been effectively secured through Byrd's intervention.","topics":["Vietnam War","Senate Democratic Caucus","Robert C. 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