{"conversationCode":"023-102","tapeNumber":23,"conversationNumber":102,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-023-102","startDateTime":"1972-05-01T23:18:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-01T23:19:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1972","startTime":"7:18 PM","endDate":"1-May-1972","endTime":"7:19 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On May 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 7:18 pm to 7:19 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 023-102 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 23-102\n\nDate: May 1, 1972\nTime: 7:18-7:19 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.\n\n     A trip\n           -A message\n               -Channels\n               -Dispatch\n               -Progress in negotiations","filename":["023-102.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"023-101","nextCode":"023-103","transcript":[{"start":2.87,"end":25.46,"text":"On the message you sent, I guess that's a secure channel."},{"start":25.48,"end":29.46,"text":"But I'll make it rather... Yeah, but in any event, the main thing is to indicate, which of course is what we expect, whether we go on Friday, because if that's the case, we want to get that underway."},{"start":29.48,"end":30.86,"text":"Yeah, but we have to send all the time in order to meet the deadline."},{"start":31.08,"end":35.47,"text":"Right."},{"start":35.49,"end":42.91,"text":"Well, you send them out immediately, right?"},{"start":42.93,"end":43.05,"text":"Right."},{"start":43.07,"end":47,"text":"And then, but you, that'll be the indication whether you've made progress, whether we go or don't go."},{"start":47.02,"end":48.32,"text":"You know, what I make sure to do is have a case with that person."},{"start":48.34,"end":48.46,"text":"Right."},{"start":48.48,"end":48.58,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the logistics and urgency of a pending trip, contingent upon progress in secret negotiations. They confirm the necessity of utilizing secure channels to send communications immediately to meet a specific deadline. The conversation serves to ensure that the necessary arrangements are underway to facilitate a potential departure on Friday.","topics":["Foreign Policy","Diplomatic Negotiations","Secret Channels","Logistics","Deadline Management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:41:01.966Z"},"topicSlugs":["foreign-policy","diplomatic-negotiations","secret-channels","logistics","deadline-management"],"audioDurationSec":49,"audioFiles":[{"file":"023-102.mp3","bytes":1167359,"durationSec":48.57,"bitrate":192290,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.522Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/023-102.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/023-102","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/23/conversation-023-102","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}