{"conversationCode":"023-156","tapeNumber":23,"conversationNumber":156,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-023-156","startDateTime":"1972-05-04T19:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-04T19:44:00.000Z","startDate":"4-May-1972","startTime":"3:04 PM","endDate":"4-May-1972","endTime":"3:44 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Kissinger, Henry A.; White House operator;","description":"On May 4, 1972, Henry A. Kissinger and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:04 pm and 3:44 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 023-156 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 23-156\n\nDate: May 4, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 3:04 and 3:44 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nHenry A. Kissinger talked with the White House operator.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 334-44D]\n\n     Request for a call to Deputy Secretary of Defense\n         -[David] Kenneth Rush","filename":["023-156.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Kissinger, Henry A.","White House operator"],"prevCode":"023-155","nextCode":"023-157","transcript":[{"start":2.17,"end":4.34,"text":"Yes, please."},{"start":4.6,"end":7.02,"text":"Can you get me the Deputy Secretary of Defense?"},{"start":7.14,"end":8.3,"text":"That's for Mr. Kissinger."},{"start":8.65,"end":10.69,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":10.87,"end":11.33,"text":"Pack."},{"start":11.73,"end":13.86,"text":"I mean, rush."},{"start":13.88,"end":14.18,"text":"Rush."},{"start":14.54,"end":15.06,"text":"Rush?"},{"start":15.08,"end":15.28,"text":"Yep."},{"start":15.72,"end":16.74,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Henry A. Kissinger contacted the White House operator to facilitate an urgent communication with Deputy Secretary of Defense Kenneth Rush. The brief interaction focused solely on placing the call, with the operator confirming the recipient's identity after a brief clarification. This exchange served as a logistical step to enable high-level coordination between the National Security Advisor and the Department of Defense.","topics":["Henry A. Kissinger","Kenneth Rush","Department of Defense","Communication logistics","National security coordination"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:45:54.618Z"},"topicSlugs":["henry-a-kissinger","kenneth-rush","department-of-defense","communication-logistics","national-security-coordination"],"audioDurationSec":18,"audioFiles":[{"file":"023-156.mp3","bytes":438856,"durationSec":18.22,"bitrate":192695,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.839Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/023-156.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/023-156","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/23/conversation-023-156","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}