{"conversationCode":"023-163","tapeNumber":23,"conversationNumber":163,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-023-163","startDateTime":"1972-05-05T12:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-05T12:55:00.000Z","startDate":"5-May-1972","startTime":"8:44 AM","endDate":"5-May-1972","endTime":"8:55 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator;","description":"On May 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:44 am and 8:55 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 023-163 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 23-163\n\nDate: May 5, 1972\n\fTime: Unknown between 8:44 and 8:55 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 720-3]\n\n     Request for a call to Peter J. Brennan","filename":["023-163.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator"],"prevCode":"023-162","nextCode":"023-164","transcript":[{"start":4.99,"end":8.14,"text":"Operator, I'd like to talk to Mr. Peter Brennan."},{"start":8.79,"end":11.29,"text":"He's with the New York Building and Construction Council."},{"start":11.31,"end":12.2,"text":"He's the union man."},{"start":12.42,"end":13.88,"text":"Yes, I have the number right here, Mr. President."},{"start":13.9,"end":15.33,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":15.35,"end":15.71,"text":"Bye, sir."},{"start":15.73,"end":15.81,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon contacted the White House operator to place a telephone call to Peter J. Brennan, a prominent labor leader representing the New York Building and Construction Trades Council. The President’s objective was to initiate direct communication with the union official, likely to discuss labor-related policy or political support. The operator confirmed she had the necessary contact information to connect the President to Brennan.","topics":["Peter J. Brennan","Labor unions","Building and Construction Trades Council","Presidential communication","Domestic policy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:46:32.741Z"},"topicSlugs":["peter-j-brennan","labor-unions","building-and-construction-trades-council","presidential-communication","domestic-policy"],"audioDurationSec":17,"audioFiles":[{"file":"023-163.mp3","bytes":406255,"durationSec":16.86,"bitrate":192766,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.522Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/023-163.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/023-163","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/23/conversation-023-163","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}