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Conversation 024-045

TapeTape 24StartTuesday, May 9, 1972 at 11:35 AMEndTuesday, May 9, 1972 at 11:39 AMTape start time00:58:53Tape end time01:04:11ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Mitchell, John N.;  Butterfield, Alexander P.Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
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On May 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John N. Mitchell, and Alexander P. Butterfield talked on the telephone from 11:35 am to 11:39 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 024-045 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 24-45

Date: May 9, 1972
Time: 11:35 am - 11:39 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with John N. Mitchell.

[See also Conversation No. 338-17A]

     Vietnam
          -The President's speech
               -Mitchell’s view
               -Preparation
               -Briefing of Senators
               -Presentation
               -Content
               -Public response
                     -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo's report
                           -Amount of support
                     -Democrats
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                         -Position
                    -Telegrams and telephone calls
                         -Charles W. Colson
                         -Backlog
                    -Public support
         -Blockade
              -Soviet Summit
                   -Possible cancellation
                   -The President's stance
              -The President's speech
                   -Public support
              -Impact
                   -Psychological impact
                   -Forthcoming 1972 election
                   -Bombing of Hanoi
                         -The President’s view
              -Peace offers
                   -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                   -Ceasefire
                   -Frank F. Church
                         -Response to speech

    1972 Republican nomination
         -James L. Buckley
         -John N. Ashbrook
              -Withdrawal
         -Ronald W. Reagan
              -Request for a call to Ashbrook
         -Ashbrook's candidacy
         -Reagan
              -Trip to Europe
                    -Purposes


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The President conferred with Alexander P. Butterfield at 11:37 am.

[See Conversation No. 338-17]

[End of conferral]


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Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Hello.
Mr. Mitchell, sir.
Hello.
Mr. President.
Well, as an old Navy man, I hope you think we finally did something.
Well, you did it just right, and I thought your presentation last night was just terrific.
I think it's probably the best of all of them.
Well, I had to do it under a pressure cooker, you know.
I wrote the damn thing over the weekend and didn't get the final draft finished till 5.30 and then had to go brief these goddamn senators and then...
then just walk out there almost panting.
Well, I'll tell you, your presentation was the best, and I thought the context, the content was just absolutely right.
Just put it right at where it should be.
I just talked to Rebozo.
He called me, and he said he's had the goddamnedest reaction in Florida.
Of course, I suppose he would down there, but he said Democrats, Republicans, everybody just saying, go to it.
That's great.
My God, we finally did something.
I don't know what you heard, but of course the Democrats...
The politicians are doing just what we expect.
They're laying in the bushes instead of supporting the president.
But, by God, they ought to be hit for that.
They will be.
As you know, we've got this apparatus going over here.
Right.
And the only problem is that the telegram offices are so jammed up that the people can't get through to them, and the telephones are so jammed up last night that you just couldn't get the volume through.
But what is the reaction you've found in just talking to folks at the ground?
Oh, great.
No, no, no reaction.
Nobody is opposed to it that I've talked to or found.
I think everybody has a little concern about the ongoing problems of the summit and so forth.
Yeah, well, we're going to, as if and when it's canceled, which it very well may be, we think, we're just going to say, well, we expected that, we'll have it at a later time, but we're not going to have the American president go to the summit when Russian tanks are rumbling through the streets of Hue.
Well, I thought you put the ball in their court just right last night.
And I think the American public will accept that without any problems whatsoever.
So I just think it's great all the way around.
And I have a very deep gut reaction.
It's going to have some large psychological effects on the government and the troops.
That's the main effect, you know.
As you know, this kind of operation, it's not technically a blockade, but that's what it is.
It only has an effect over a period of time, but I can tell you
that if it doesn't work psychologically, I'll keep the goddamn thing on and lose the election if necessary, but boy, right after the election, we'll just level Hanoi.
I mean level it.
I don't believe that's going to be necessary.
I think you're tying it into the...
prisoners of war and the ceasefire was just in the right... That really, John, is an offer that how the hell can anybody say we should do more?
They can't.
That we say, all right, with a ceasefire and P.O.W., we'll get out in four months.
You heard what Church said.
No, I didn't.
Yeah, you came out and said it was just right.
Did he agree with it?
Yeah, he agreed with your terms.
good.
Last night he did it, which surprised the hell out of me, but it shows people that are thinking correctly and not acting politically recognize the rationale of it.
One thing I was going to suggest, wouldn't this be a good time for you and Buckley to frankly get Ashbrook in and say, look, John, for Christ's sakes, get behind the president on this?
I've already started that this morning.
I mean, he really ought to get out of the race now.
He really ought to.
I started it last week, but...
It didn't fly, but I think it's got a much greater possibility now.
And you might give Reagan a call and ask him to call him.
Could you do that?
Sure.
I don't think it'll fly because this guy's got a little bit in his teeth, but it certainly will pull some of the troops away from this.
Yeah, we'll get Reagan to call some of his troops.
Could you do that?
Tell him that you and I talked.
I have approved a trip for Reagan to Europe, incidentally, so he's all set on a nice little junket, so he ought to be happy.
What's the purpose of that?
He just wanted to go to Europe.
Oh, did he?
Where is he going?
I don't know.
You know, just, just fart around.
It's all right.
It's all right.
Well, that's fine.
Give him some more traveling time.
We'll get more done in California.
Yeah.
We, uh, also in, uh,
Alex, just a second.
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