Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 24 › Conversation 024-096

Nixon, Haldeman & Colson on George Wallace and FBI

Monday, May 15, 1972 · 6:45 PM–7:07 PM ET · White House Telephone · 2 min

ParticipantsHaldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.Conversation024-096 on Tape 24 (tape position 01:51:59–01:53:40)StartMonday, May 15, 1972 at 6:45 PMEndMonday, May 15, 1972 at 7:07 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 024-096 ↗

President Nixon, H.R. Haldeman, and Charles Colson discuss the investigation into the shooting of George Wallace, focusing on jurisdictional authority to involve the FBI. Nixon expresses a deep distrust of the Secret Service and directs that the FBI be ordered to take the lead in the investigation based on the federal nature of the victims. The participants explore legal justifications for this federal oversight, specifically citing the status of the officials targeted in the attack.

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Yes, please.
Uh, Kleindienst, please.
Thank you.
I know.
No, the FBI isn't.
There's no federal violation.
The FBI doesn't have any jurisdiction.
Well, that's what they say now.
Let the FBI order it at my direction.
Certainly, the person can order it.
I'm directing them on the suspicion that it is.
I have no confidence in the Secret Service, Bob, and you know it.
I never have had it.
You've got another base.
Aren't it worth one damn?
A Secret Service official was shot, which is a federal official.
That's right.
On that basis, they can do it.
An Alabama state policeman was shot in the state of Maryland, too.
How much confidence have you got in Maryland?
None.
Oh, gee.
He was.
He's been on top of it since two minutes after the bill went off.

On May 15, 1972, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:45 pm and 7:07 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 024-096 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 24-96

Date: May 15, 1972
Time: Unknown between 6:45 pm and 7:07 pm
Location: White House Telephone

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman talked with the White House operator.

[See also Conversation No. 339-3D]

     Request for a call to Richard G. Kleindienst

Haldeman conferred with the President and Charles W. Colson at an unknown time.

[See Conversation No. 339-3]
  • 024-094 6:33 PM · 35 sec — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:33 pm and 6:45 pm.
  • 339-003 6:33 PM · 1 hr 15 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, Charles W. Colson, unknown person(s), James J. Rowley, John D. Ehrlichman, Richard G. Kleindienst, and Thomas J. Kelley met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:33 pm and 7:57 pm.
  • 024-095 6:45 PM · 6 min — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, and James J. Rowley talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:45 pm and 7:07 pm.
  • 024-097 6:45 PM · 3 min — the White House operator, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Richard G. Kleindienst talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:45 pm and 7:07 pm.
  • 024-098 6:45 PM · 9 sec — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, Charles W. Colson, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:45 pm and 7:07 pm.
  • 024-099 7:07 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 7:07 pm.
  • 024-100 7:07 PM · 3 min — Thomas J. Kelley, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 7:07 pm and 7:37 pm.
  • 024-101 7:07 PM · 36 sec — Charles W. Colson, White House operator, and Holly Holm talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 7:07 pm and 7:37 pm.

Conversation 024-096, May 15, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/024-096 (accessed October 9, 2026).