{"conversationCode":"024-096","tapeNumber":24,"conversationNumber":96,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-024-096","startDateTime":"1972-05-15T22:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-15T23:07:00.000Z","startDate":"15-May-1972","startTime":"6:45 PM","endDate":"15-May-1972","endTime":"7:07 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On May 15, 1972, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:45 pm and 7:07 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 024-096 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 24-96\n\nDate: May 15, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 6:45 pm and 7:07 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nH. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman talked with the White House operator.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 339-3D]\n\n     Request for a call to Richard G. Kleindienst\n\nHaldeman conferred with the President and Charles W. Colson at an unknown time.\n\n[See Conversation No. 339-3]","filename":["024-096.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:51:59","tapeEnd":"01:53:40","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"024-095","nextCode":"024-097","transcript":[{"start":1.35,"end":4.03,"text":"Yes, please."},{"start":5.67,"end":14.65,"text":"Uh, Kleindienst, please."},{"start":14.71,"end":19.13,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":19.64,"end":27.51,"text":"I know."},{"start":28.01,"end":36.71,"text":"No, the FBI isn't."},{"start":37.58,"end":38.8,"text":"There's no federal violation."},{"start":38.82,"end":40.84,"text":"The FBI doesn't have any jurisdiction."},{"start":41.62,"end":43.79,"text":"Well, that's what they say now."},{"start":44.51,"end":47.7,"text":"Let the FBI order it at my direction."},{"start":47.74,"end":49.3,"text":"Certainly, the person can order it."},{"start":49.58,"end":52.2,"text":"I'm directing them on the suspicion that it is."},{"start":52.44,"end":55.25,"text":"I have no confidence in the Secret Service, Bob, and you know it."},{"start":55.27,"end":56.19,"text":"I never have had it."},{"start":56.21,"end":56.85,"text":"You've got another base."},{"start":56.93,"end":58.03,"text":"Aren't it worth one damn?"},{"start":58.05,"end":60.71,"text":"A Secret Service official was shot, which is a federal official."},{"start":61.41,"end":62.09,"text":"That's right."},{"start":62.15,"end":64.86,"text":"On that basis, they can do it."},{"start":64.94,"end":67.3,"text":"An Alabama state policeman was shot in the state of Maryland, too."},{"start":69.84,"end":72.83,"text":"How much confidence have you got in Maryland?"},{"start":73.13,"end":73.65,"text":"None."},{"start":73.67,"end":73.83,"text":"Oh, gee."},{"start":85.11,"end":96.32,"text":"He was."},{"start":96.6,"end":100.59,"text":"He's been on top of it since two minutes after the bill went off."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon, H.R. Haldeman, and Charles Colson discuss the investigation into the shooting of George Wallace, focusing on jurisdictional authority to involve the FBI. Nixon expresses a deep distrust of the Secret Service and directs that the FBI be ordered to take the lead in the investigation based on the federal nature of the victims. The participants explore legal justifications for this federal oversight, specifically citing the status of the officials targeted in the attack.","topics":["George Wallace","FBI","Secret Service","Jurisdiction","Attempted Assassination","Law Enforcement"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T02:55:52.275Z"},"topicSlugs":["george-wallace","fbi","secret-service","jurisdiction","attempted-assassination","law-enforcement"],"audioDurationSec":101,"audioFiles":[{"file":"024-096.mp3","bytes":2424371,"durationSec":100.95,"bitrate":192131,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.840Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/024-096.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/024-096","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/24/conversation-024-096","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}