{"conversationCode":"024-134","tapeNumber":24,"conversationNumber":134,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-024-134","startDateTime":"1972-05-16T03:12:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-16T03:41:00.000Z","startDate":"15-May-1972","startTime":"11:12 PM","endDate":"15-May-1972","endTime":"11:41 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On May 15, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 11:12 pm to 11:41 pm. 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Bremer\n                -Press stories\n                     -Political leanings\n                     -Motives\n                     -Press interviews with landlord\n                     -Literature in apartment\n                            -Wallace\n                     -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] investigation\n                            -L. Patrick Gray, III\n                            -Interviews\n                                  -Mental state\n                                  -Lawyer\n                                         -Gray\n                     -Custody\n                            -Baltimore\n                     -Plans for autobiography\n                     -Apartment search\n                            -Writings\n                     -Mental condition\n                     -Political affiliations\n                            -George S. McGovern\n                            -Publicity\n                     -Brother\n\n                         -Attitude toward Wallace\n                               -Gray\n                   -Political affiliations\n                         -Cover\n                         -Publicity\n                               -Kenneth W. Clawson\n              -Wallace's condition\n                   -Operation\n                   -Recovery\n                         -Lukash's report\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 37s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n              -Lukash's prognosis\n                     -Extent of injury\n              -Paralysis\n         -Investigation\n              -FBI\n                     -Gray's control\n              -Information\n                     -Release\n                     -Political leanings\n                           -Press reports\n                                  -Clawson\n                           -Public perceptions\n         -Bremer\n              -Background\n              -Political leanings\n                     -The President’s view\n              -Background\n\n                    -Gray's investigation\n                    -Money sources\n                    -Schooling\n                    -Travels\n              -Money sources\n              -Literature\n         -John F. Kennedy assassination\n              -Media coverage\n              -Motive of Lee Harvey Oswald\n         -Bremer\n              -Media coverage\n              -Investigation\n                    -Gray's direction\n                          -The President’s view\n         -Wallace's condition\n              -Operation\n                    -Completion\n                    -Lukash's report\n                    -Medical bulletins\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 2m 39s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n    Candidate protection\n        -Edward M. 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Sindlinger results\n                      -Support for the President\n\n     Wallace\n          -Sindlinger poll\n          -Press coverage\n               -Recovery\n               -The President's trip to Moscow\n          -Condition\n               -Paralysis possibility\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 3m 6s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     Assault on Wallace\n          -Investigation\n                -Gray","filename":["024-134.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:44:32","tapeEnd":"03:13:45","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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What- what do you know?"},{"start":7,"end":10,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, we're- [unintelligible]"},{"start":10,"end":23,"speaker":"Colson","text":"First of all, on the front reports, the fellow [unintelligible]"},{"start":23,"end":31,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":31,"end":35,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":35,"end":40,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":40,"end":44,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":44,"end":47,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, it may be that the UPI guys [crosstalk] are doing it."},{"start":47,"end":48,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[crosstalk] No, no. Not necessarily, Mr. President."},{"start":48,"end":50,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Or the guy might be sick."},{"start":50,"end":61,"speaker":"Colson","text":"No, they did four interviews, which they are now running, [unintelligible] with the landlord [unintelligible] said that he was strange, had no friends, kept to himself,"},{"start":61,"end":64,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, that's bad, though. It just came back in today's uh news summary."},{"start":64,"end":66,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Right."},{"start":66,"end":72,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Had Wallace literature all over the place,"},{"start":72,"end":76,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Wallace bumper stickers all over the apartment. [unintelligible]"},{"start":76,"end":78,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Right."},{"start":78,"end":85,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible] nothing else. The apartment was searched by police."},{"start":85,"end":86,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Hell, no."},{"start":86,"end":98,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":98,"end":100,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Right."},{"start":100,"end":105,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Right."},{"start":105,"end":117,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":117,"end":132,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":132,"end":135,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":135,"end":140,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":140,"end":145,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah, just say he's uh, he prai- he's, he praised nothing."},{"start":145,"end":147,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Correct."},{"start":147,"end":154,"speaker":"Colson","text":"However, in Milwaukee, they went to his apartment. [unintelligible]"},{"start":154,"end":155,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Good."},{"start":155,"end":158,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Are they going to put it out, or not? The most important thing is to get it out, Chuck."},{"start":158,"end":160,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Oh, they're going to put that out. They have to."},{"start":160,"end":163,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Get it out immediately, then."},{"start":163,"end":166,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, in fact, they think it's their problem. No,"},{"start":166,"end":170,"speaker":"Colson","text":"the brother-"},{"start":170,"end":174,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible] the brother-"},{"start":174,"end":183,"speaker":"Colson","text":"brother [unintelligible] one interview [unintelligible] Wallace party [unintelligible]"},{"start":183,"end":194,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":194,"end":197,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Crap."},{"start":197,"end":199,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"It's a plot. It's a plot."},{"start":199,"end":207,"speaker":"Colson","text":"All right, well I got ahold of Pat Gray, and I called him- [unintelligible]"},{"start":207,"end":212,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":212,"end":220,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, he did it- that transcript of Wallace's button- if he was a Wallace man, he'd never cover himself with Wallace buttons."},{"start":220,"end":223,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":223,"end":226,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"That must get out very, very fast."},{"start":226,"end":227,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Right. Gray's got thirty men [unintelligible]"},{"start":227,"end":229,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Right, good."},{"start":229,"end":232,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":232,"end":233,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah."},{"start":233,"end":243,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":243,"end":253,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":253,"end":256,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Right."},{"start":256,"end":259,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":259,"end":260,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Right."},{"start":260,"end":262,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":262,"end":263,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Two or three months."},{"start":263,"end":264,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":264,"end":266,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well-"},{"start":266,"end":269,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, yes he could."},{"start":269,"end":271,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"After the convention."},{"start":271,"end":283,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":283,"end":288,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":288,"end":294,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":294,"end":299,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible] 4-A [unintelligible]"},{"start":299,"end":303,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah, he was a [unintelligible]."},{"start":303,"end":309,"speaker":"Colson","text":"No, 4-F. [unintelligible]"},{"start":309,"end":323,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":323,"end":331,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":331,"end":333,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"All right, sure."},{"start":333,"end":338,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":338,"end":344,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":344,"end":349,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible] Clawson's back. [unintelligible]"},{"start":349,"end":352,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Good, good. Just, just, just keep going."},{"start":352,"end":355,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, we're doing it on our own. Clawson [unintelligible]"},{"start":355,"end":356,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah."},{"start":356,"end":366,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":366,"end":377,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":377,"end":382,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"The UPI ought to put that all on. That that was funny, Chuck."},{"start":382,"end":387,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, instead of that, Pat Gray is uh- they questioned [unintelligible]"},{"start":387,"end":392,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":392,"end":395,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Why, at a shooting? That's right."},{"start":395,"end":397,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Why would he be at a shooting-"},{"start":397,"end":407,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Now, no, it's stage. Have- have- be sure Clawson puts it on stage. The whole thing was staged."},{"start":407,"end":416,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":416,"end":417,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Right. [unintelligible]"},{"start":417,"end":426,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Must get out awful fast, awful hard, right away, because look, Chuck, the whole Wallace thing is a is a problem."},{"start":426,"end":436,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"If they don't know his background, probably very left-wing before this [unintelligible]"},{"start":436,"end":442,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible] that's what I told Pat. I said [unintelligible]"},{"start":442,"end":447,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":447,"end":458,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, and when and when- what he's got to write, what a background. He's got to have it."},{"start":458,"end":463,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, all he kept saying was that they were [unintelligible] the apartment, [unintelligible]"},{"start":463,"end":467,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":467,"end":470,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Where'd he get this gun?"},{"start":470,"end":475,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, that's right. [unintelligible]"},{"start":475,"end":486,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":486,"end":491,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":491,"end":502,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"He got a .38 gun, and he gets down to Maryland. Now, how the hell do you do that?"},{"start":502,"end":507,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":507,"end":513,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":513,"end":518,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"We're not- deliberate. Sure, we know that."},{"start":518,"end":520,"speaker":"Colson","text":"I think that's it."},{"start":520,"end":534,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"You know, you know though, you know how they- never forget how the media played the Kennedy assassination being a right-wing plot when it was a communist."},{"start":534,"end":542,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":542,"end":547,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":547,"end":549,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Right."},{"start":549,"end":553,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":553,"end":558,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":558,"end":565,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"No, I know. But Gray- Gray will play the game. Wallace just wanted to get the true thought, goddamn, and catch the press."},{"start":565,"end":577,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, he has to [unintelligible] right? Now, it's gotta work [unintelligible]"},{"start":577,"end":585,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":595.3,"end":598.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"The woman is not seriously hurt, was she?"},{"start":621.3,"end":630.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"The election's been affected. Won't be running against you. Well, I'm terribly sorry that Wallace got hurt, anybody [crosstalk]."},{"start":630.3,"end":632.3,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, I am too. I"},{"start":657.3,"end":664.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Muskie, all the other ones, what [unintelligible] Humphrey and McGovern, all the ones that get affected, [unintelligible]"},{"start":669.3,"end":675.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Put him up. I've never said a ni- a decent- a bad thing about him. No, he's a decent man."},{"start":698.3,"end":703.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Muskie was vicious toward Humphrey then. Humphrey-"},{"start":707.3,"end":711.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"What about McGovern?"},{"start":711.3,"end":720.3,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, the fine thing's all turning against Humphrey because everyone's saying, \"What's Muskie doing that for?\" Right."},{"start":728.3,"end":732.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"What's going to happen tomorrow in Maryland?"},{"start":733.3,"end":736.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"He'll win it? He could beat us there?"},{"start":747.3,"end":751.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Then they'll decide he can't run, that's that."},{"start":759.3,"end":767.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"I tell you, I think we're right to order the protection for that Kennedy and that Chisholm business and all the rest of them."},{"start":797.3,"end":801.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"And call the woman. Good."},{"start":809.3,"end":813.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"'Cause the Democrats don't want that, do they?"},{"start":819.3,"end":832.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Then it gets down, however, to, in Miami, if I'd be only regarded as having bring them all of these people out of the convention, into the Democratic, get a ticket."},{"start":838.3,"end":841.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Let's see what he's got here."},{"start":843.3,"end":848.3,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Yeah, and all they're trying to do, it is [unintelligible]."},{"start":869.3,"end":872.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"I kind of hate to do it."},{"start":888.3,"end":899.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"I just can't believe that Humphrey, McGovern would have this. Frankly, the bad taste to fly down, you see, to see Mrs. Wallace."},{"start":919.3,"end":921.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"called her up [unintelligible]"},{"start":929.3,"end":932.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Everybody knows he's no friend of Wallace."},{"start":939.3,"end":943.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"And one thing we know what the headlines will be tomorrow, don't we?"},{"start":950.3,"end":952.3,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Yes, we do."},{"start":958.3,"end":962.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Bremer? Bremer. He's 21, isn't he?"},{"start":968.3,"end":980.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"If you watch, though, the FBI is careful with the press, by the way. I hope they are trying to handle it. My God, how a Wallace man kill a Wallace? It's unbelievable."},{"start":1008.3,"end":1017.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Who would be who would be Left-wing, go that far? Yeah, agreed. The McGovern people would be."},{"start":1021.3,"end":1025.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Not the Humphrey people, McGovern's."},{"start":1028.3,"end":1032.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"They want boy carrying the convention far."},{"start":1053.3,"end":1059.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"If he come walking in there in a wheelchair, he'll tear hell out of them, won't he?"},{"start":1068.3,"end":1072.3,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, in 15 or less-"},{"start":1069.3,"end":1071.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, yeah, well, you're right."},{"start":1100.3,"end":1102.3,"speaker":"Colson","text":"eight-hour"},{"start":1111.3,"end":1113.3,"speaker":"Colson","text":"What is it, an eight-hour?"},{"start":1116.3,"end":1120.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"No. A .45 would have really done him in, wouldn't it?"},{"start":1127.3,"end":1132.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"It sure wasn't a Saturday Night Special, was it?"},{"start":1138.3,"end":1144.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah, they're working there to see where he really got the gun, I suppose. Wanted to know where he got it."},{"start":1146.3,"end":1150.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"So that's we've got both gun control-"},{"start":1149.3,"end":1155.3,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Well, now, hell, none of this applies to gun control, none of that."},{"start":1158.3,"end":1162.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"That doesn't reach him."},{"start":1167.3,"end":1170.3,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Be sure that our that, uh, Clawson and the rest, be sure that our PR people press the hell out of that."},{"start":1170.6,"end":1175.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Get the National Rifle Association on the phone right away—well, tomorrow morning."},{"start":1175.6,"end":1176.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"All right, sir."},{"start":1176.6,"end":1181.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"And be sure that they point out this had nothing to do with what they're against—gun control."},{"start":1181.6,"end":1183.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Right."},{"start":1196.6,"end":1201.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Is he by himself, or what about these other kids he's associate with? You don't know."},{"start":1201.6,"end":1207.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1225.6,"end":1229.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"He's probably a little nut. Well, I think so too. That would be my guess."},{"start":1229.6,"end":1231.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1242.6,"end":1249.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, even nits can be—can be used, you know. But it happens."},{"start":1249.6,"end":1254.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1257.6,"end":1264.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"I talked to [unintelligible]"},{"start":1264.6,"end":1270.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, you know that sound—that sounded that they had something to do with the primary. 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Wallace won Maryland?"},{"start":1339.6,"end":1343.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1361.6,"end":1367.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1383.6,"end":1387.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Michigan's awful far."},{"start":1387.6,"end":1391.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1407.6,"end":1409.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah."},{"start":1409.6,"end":1413.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1423.6,"end":1428.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1434.6,"end":1440.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Do the cast—the real—about the Soviet summit, because they think, maybe he'll come off, huh?"},{"start":1440.6,"end":1444.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1462.6,"end":1465.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah."},{"start":1465.6,"end":1468.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1482.6,"end":1484.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"I think it's good."},{"start":1484.6,"end":1488.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1500.6,"end":1508.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"They'll announce that tomorrow. If Wallace is heavily forward, won't you?"},{"start":1508.6,"end":1511.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1511.6,"end":1516.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"In other words, you think Wallace will dominate today?"},{"start":1516.6,"end":1519.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1530.6,"end":1537.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, Wallace is going to be the tragedy is going to wipe out [unintelligible] take him out of it. Really bad."},{"start":1537.6,"end":1541.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1544.6,"end":1549.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Was it four bullets? Only one. Yeah, but the one serious one is going to have one hell of an effect on the guy, Colson."},{"start":1549.6,"end":1554.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1571.6,"end":1578.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"The other guy, Humphrey—Humphrey said he's going to go to California anyway."},{"start":1578.6,"end":1582.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1602.6,"end":1606.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Because he knows—he's not going to shoot."},{"start":1606.6,"end":1614.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Kennedy said he's not going to shoot and Humphrey, they will, because they want to [unintelligible]"},{"start":1614.6,"end":1616.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah."},{"start":1616.6,"end":1621.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Protect Humphrey and Kennedy."},{"start":1621.6,"end":1624.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah."},{"start":1625.6,"end":1629.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1642.6,"end":1644.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Oh, they're scared to death."},{"start":1644.6,"end":1648.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1662.6,"end":1664.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Whatever it is."},{"start":1672.6,"end":1679.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"They will, really? Well, they don't have any [unintelligible]"},{"start":1679.6,"end":1683.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1690.6,"end":1699.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Good, if they all call off, helps the candidate. If they all call off, it helps the candidate, Wallace in California. Why don't also cancel?"},{"start":1699.6,"end":1704.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1712.6,"end":1715.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Is it?"},{"start":1715.6,"end":1719.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1723.6,"end":1728.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Must have heard of a bolt out in the blue, though."},{"start":1728.6,"end":1732.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":1742.6,"end":1745.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"However, in my judgment [unintelligible]"},{"start":1745.6,"end":1748.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Okay Chuck, bye."},{"start":1748.6,"end":1750.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"All the same, we've had a great day today, Mr. President. Good night, sir."},{"start":1750.6,"end":1751.6,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Good."},{"start":1751.6,"end":1754.6,"speaker":"Colson","text":"We're on the march. 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