{"conversationCode":"025-013","tapeNumber":25,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-025-013","startDateTime":"1972-06-06T16:26:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-06T16:27:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Jun-1972","startTime":"12:26 PM","endDate":"6-Jun-1972","endTime":"12:27 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On June 6, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone from 12:26 pm to 12:27 pm. 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(Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n          -President’s possible trip to Houston for the Rotary Convention\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["025-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:50:01","tapeEnd":"00:50:49","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"025-012","nextCode":"025-014","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his wife, Pat, discussed his upcoming travel plans. The conversation focused on the President's potential trip to Texas for the Rotary Convention and a commitment to John Connally, weighing the logistics of his schedule against the possibility of joining his wife at Camp David. They considered alternative travel arrangements to accommodate these commitments.","topics":["Presidential travel","Camp David","Rotary Convention","John Connally","Scheduling","Texas trip"],"generatedAt":"2026-10-27T14:55:58.116Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-travel","camp-david","rotary-convention","john-b-connally","scheduling","texas-trip"],"audioDurationSec":1060,"audioFiles":[{"file":"025-013.mp3","bytes":25444936,"durationSec":1060.13,"bitrate":192013,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.841Z","transcript":[{"start":0,"end":4,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"The only possibility, of course, is this thing I have to do in Texas for John Connally on Friday."},{"start":4,"end":5,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah."},{"start":5,"end":14,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"If I don't go on Friday, but go on Saturday morning, I could come out—or Friday afternoon, I could come up with you on Thursday night, come back Friday morning and then go down Friday afternoon, see?"},{"start":14,"end":16,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah, but wait, then what would you do Friday night?"},{"start":16,"end":20,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Friday night I'd go to Texas. I have to go to John Connally's Friday night."},{"start":20,"end":23,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Uh-huh. Well, the only thing about that, Dick, is that that's a lot of running around."},{"start":23,"end":24,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"That's right. That's right."},{"start":24,"end":27,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"And maybe you'd be better just to go, and, uh—"},{"start":27,"end":36,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, the other thing is if we don't go to John Connally's Friday, which we may not—I mean, they may not have it Friday, in which case I won't go until Saturday, see? So I could come up Friday."},{"start":36,"end":37,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah."},{"start":37,"end":41,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"I could come up Friday, then fly to Texas Saturday and come back Saturday night, you see?"},{"start":41,"end":42,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Mm-hm."},{"start":42,"end":43,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"So, whatever it is—"},{"start":43,"end":46,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, are you definitely going to Texas for that, uh, convention?"}],"transcriptCreatedAt":"2026-10-27T14:36:03.796Z","transcriptModel":"google/gemini-3.8-flash","transcriptSource":"audio-llm","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/025-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/025-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/025/conversation-025-013","catalogNaId":417193649,"catalogUrl":"https://catalog.archives.gov/id/417193649","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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