{"conversationCode":"025-071","tapeNumber":25,"conversationNumber":71,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-025-071","startDateTime":"1972-06-16T16:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-16T16:33:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Jun-1972","startTime":"12:20 PM","endDate":"16-Jun-1972","endTime":"12:33 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Helms, Richard M.;","description":"On June 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Richard M. Helms talked on the telephone from 12:20 pm to 12:33 pm. 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Walters\n\n**************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number LPRN-T-MDR-\n2014-012. Segment exempt per Executive Order 13526, 3.3(b)(1) on 10/17/2017. Archivist: JD]\n[National Security]\n[025-071-w001]\n[Duration: 16s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n     Luis Echeverria Alvarez\n\f           -Vietnam\n           -Aggression\n                -Western Hemisphere","filename":["025-071.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:08:29","tapeEnd":"03:10:19","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Helms, Richard M.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Helms, Richard M."],"prevCode":"025-070","nextCode":"025-072","transcript":[{"start":0.35,"end":0.81,"text":"Hello."},{"start":0.83,"end":3.72,"text":"Director Helms, Mr. President."},{"start":3.74,"end":4.12,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.2,"end":5.08,"text":"Good morning, Mr. President."},{"start":5.1,"end":7.77,"text":"Dick, I just left President Echeverria."},{"start":7.93,"end":8.65,"text":"He took me aside."},{"start":8.67,"end":15.48,"text":"You know, he doesn't speak in English, but he says, I'm seeing Director Helms this afternoon."},{"start":15.54,"end":16.14,"text":"I said, good."},{"start":16.2,"end":22.17,"text":"I said, he's, you can, you know, he has authorized it."},{"start":23.12,"end":24.38,"text":"directly to you from me."},{"start":25.04,"end":28.12,"text":"So you should tell him that I talked to you and so forth."},{"start":28.14,"end":31.02,"text":"I don't know what games we're playing there, but he's strong."},{"start":31.24,"end":33.07,"text":"He wants to play the right games."},{"start":33.57,"end":35.87,"text":"I had told him, I gave him a little fill in Russia and China."},{"start":35.89,"end":39.35,"text":"I said, no, but I said, no, we've had all these initiatives, but let me make one thing clear."},{"start":40.13,"end":47,"text":"I have no reason to believe that both nations are going to continue their support of subversion in other countries."},{"start":47.04,"end":49.34,"text":"I said, that's just, I said, we have agreed on"},{"start":49.32,"end":67.5,"text":"no overt confrontations in effect but i said this is what you've got to expect and i think uh so uh that's the way i sort of i we didn't go in any other domestic things he has but uh so uh well thank you very much sir i will uh we are dick walters is going with me and we're going to have about an hour's chat with him"},{"start":82.6,"end":100.49,"text":"because I went into why we had to finish Vietnam in the right way, why it was important for us to hold the ring against aggression all over the world, particularly in the Western Hemisphere, because nobody else was there to do it."},{"start":101.29,"end":104,"text":"And he's on our side, all right."},{"start":104.02,"end":105.02,"text":"Oh, that's great, Mr. President."},{"start":105.04,"end":105.7,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":105.72,"end":106.36,"text":"All right, bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon briefed CIA Director Richard M. Helms on his recent meeting with Mexican President Luis Echeverría Álvarez ahead of the two men's scheduled appointment. Nixon instructed Helms to leverage the President's personal endorsement during their upcoming discussion and shared his recent intelligence assessment regarding Soviet and Chinese subversion. Furthermore, Nixon emphasized to Helms his commitment to concluding the Vietnam War correctly and maintaining a strong anti-aggression posture throughout the Western Hemisphere.","topics":["Luis Echeverría Álvarez","Foreign Policy","Vietnam War","Soviet Union","People's Republic of China","Western Hemisphere","Intelligence"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T03:08:55.634Z"},"topicSlugs":["luis-echeverr-a-lvarez","foreign-policy","vietnam-war","soviet-union","peoples-republic-of-china","western-hemisphere","intelligence"],"audioDurationSec":108,"audioFiles":[{"file":"025-071.mp3","bytes":2582986,"durationSec":107.55,"bitrate":192124,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.841Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/025-071.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/025-071","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/25/conversation-025-071","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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