{"conversationCode":"027-012","tapeNumber":27,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-027-012","startDateTime":"1972-07-19T18:41:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-07-19T18:42:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Jul-1972","startTime":"2:41 PM","endDate":"19-Jul-1972","endTime":"2:42 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Calhoon, Jesse M.;","description":"On July 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Jesse M. Calhoon talked on the telephone from 2:41 pm to 2:42 pm. 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Calhoon.\n\n[See Conversation No. 348-9]\n\n     Jesse Calhoon's statement of July 15, 1972\n          -The President's accomplishments\n\n     Labor\n         -Calhoon's statement\n               -The President’s schedule\n                     -California\n         -Jobs\n         -American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO]\n               action on endorsement of Presidential candidate\n                -George S. McGovern\n         -Building trades union members\n         -Attitude toward McGovern\n                -Foreign policy issues\n                -Lifestyle\n                     -Associates\n         -Administration cooperation","filename":["027-012.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Calhoon, Jesse M."],"prevCode":"027-011","nextCode":"027-013","transcript":[{"start":1.6,"end":18.82,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":18.84,"end":18.96,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":18.98,"end":19.68,"text":"No, my caller said only one person."},{"start":19.7,"end":20.08,"text":"I didn't like that."},{"start":20.1,"end":21.18,"text":"I wanted a friend too, so I gave you a very kind word."},{"start":21.2,"end":21.48,"text":"I got it even."},{"start":21.5,"end":22.14,"text":"So you and I will keep in touch."},{"start":22.16,"end":23.3,"text":"Be worthy of the support of you, and we'll keep in touch."},{"start":29.58,"end":57.04,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":68.97,"end":93.11,"text":"Let's get all those boats fixed."},{"start":93.13,"end":93.45,"text":"Get them manned."},{"start":93.47,"end":93.67,"text":"Get going."},{"start":93.69,"end":93.89,"text":"More jobs."},{"start":93.91,"end":94.05,"text":"Got it."},{"start":94.07,"end":94.35,"text":"Just a minute."},{"start":94.37,"end":94.63,"text":"This is good."},{"start":94.65,"end":95.13,"text":"What do you think it is?"},{"start":95.15,"end":95.57,"text":"Give me your opinion."},{"start":95.59,"end":96.05,"text":"I'm not quite familiar."},{"start":96.07,"end":96.75,"text":"I thought it was very interesting."},{"start":96.78,"end":97.46,"text":"I thought it was a pleasant thing."},{"start":97.48,"end":98,"text":"But it wouldn't have been."},{"start":98.02,"end":98.52,"text":"How do you appreciate it?"},{"start":99.58,"end":124.19,"text":"Really?"},{"start":124.21,"end":125.03,"text":"In other words, they get the other thing."},{"start":125.05,"end":125.27,"text":"They leave."},{"start":125.29,"end":125.52,"text":"They leave."},{"start":125.53,"end":125.8,"text":"They're free."},{"start":125.81,"end":126.11,"text":"And they leave."},{"start":126.14,"end":126.88,"text":"Basically, they'll work for 20 years."},{"start":126.9,"end":127.28,"text":"The building's big."},{"start":127.3,"end":127.8,"text":"You'll get some of those."},{"start":127.82,"end":127.94,"text":"Right?"},{"start":127.96,"end":128.06,"text":"Good."},{"start":128.08,"end":128.26,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":128.28,"end":128.86,"text":"They might get some of these."},{"start":128.88,"end":129.02,"text":"Really?"},{"start":129.04,"end":129.14,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":129.16,"end":129.28,"text":"Great."},{"start":129.55,"end":158.46,"text":"uh what what are you what in your view is"},{"start":159.5,"end":182.07,"text":"and I feel a lot of lifestyle."},{"start":182.09,"end":182.97,"text":"They just don't like the people around them."},{"start":182.99,"end":184.09,"text":"So we drive, take them on a ride, drive all the people."},{"start":184.11,"end":185.06,"text":"Well, anyway, we get this all straight forward."},{"start":185.07,"end":186.08,"text":"So we look forward to these meetings before we go."},{"start":186.1,"end":186.72,"text":"I don't know if we can do that."},{"start":186.74,"end":187.5,"text":"Maybe we'll have to stop for a minute."},{"start":190.38,"end":193.13,"text":"Walk away."},{"start":193.15,"end":193.25,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and labor leader Jesse Calhoon discuss the political landscape ahead of the 1972 election, focusing on the potential support of building trades union members for the administration. Nixon expresses interest in the unions' opposition to George McGovern, particularly citing concerns regarding McGovern's foreign policy and personal associations. The conversation concludes with a mutual agreement to maintain contact as the administration seeks to bolster labor support and promote job growth.","topics":["Labor Unions","1972 Presidential Election","George McGovern","AFL-CIO","Building Trades","Political Endorsements"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T03:21:18.369Z"},"topicSlugs":["labor-unions","1972-presidential-election","george-mcgovern","afl-cio","building-trades","political-endorsements"],"audioDurationSec":199,"audioFiles":[{"file":"027-012.mp3","bytes":4785422,"durationSec":199.32,"bitrate":192069,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:27.841Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:39.268Z","transcriptGapSeconds":145,"transcriptGapShare":0.73,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/027-012.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/027-012","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/27/conversation-027-012","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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