{"conversationCode":"028-016","tapeNumber":28,"conversationNumber":16,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-028-016","startDateTime":"1972-07-31T21:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-07-31T21:54:00.000Z","startDate":"31-Jul-1972","startTime":"5:44 PM","endDate":"31-Jul-1972","endTime":"5:54 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Waggonner, Joe D., Jr.; Connally, John B.;","description":"On July 31, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Joe D. Waggonner, Jr., and John B. Connally talked on the telephone from 5:44 pm to 5:54 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 028-016 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 28-16\n\nDate: July 31, 1972\nTime: 5:44 pm - 5:54 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Joe D. Waggonner, Jr.\n\n[See Conversation No. 757-6B]\n\n     The President's meeting with John B. Connally\n\nConnally talked with Waggonner.\n\n     Greetings\n\n     Rich people compared to poor people\n          -Manners\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 9m 3s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["028-016.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Waggonner, Joe D., Jr.","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"028-015","nextCode":"028-017","transcript":[{"start":0.3,"end":0.88,"text":"Hello."},{"start":0.9,"end":3.75,"text":"Congressman Wagoner."},{"start":3.77,"end":4.51,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.53,"end":5.81,"text":"Yes, sir, Mr. President."},{"start":5.87,"end":10.81,"text":"Joe, if you've got a minute, I was just chatting with John here, and could he talk to you a minute?"},{"start":10.83,"end":11.11,"text":"Sure."},{"start":11.33,"end":12.05,"text":"All right."},{"start":16.03,"end":16.35,"text":"Joe."},{"start":17.23,"end":17.41,"text":"Hey."},{"start":17.47,"end":18.29,"text":"What are you doing?"},{"start":18.31,"end":19.09,"text":"Nothing, John."},{"start":19.11,"end":20.24,"text":"I'm doing fine."},{"start":20.82,"end":21.56,"text":"How are you doing?"},{"start":21.72,"end":22.96,"text":"Well, I just couldn't be better."},{"start":23.52,"end":23.89,"text":"That's great."},{"start":24.11,"end":25.95,"text":"I guess I'm fine unless I was rich."},{"start":26.69,"end":28.86,"text":"You know, rich folk got mighty pretty ways."},{"start":29.54,"end":31.12,"text":"Yeah, poor folk got damn boys."},{"start":31.16,"end":32.16,"text":"That's right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon facilitates a brief phone call between Congressman Joe D. Waggonner, Jr. and John B. Connally to foster communication between the two men. Following introductory pleasantries, the conversation transitions into a casual, lighthearted exchange regarding the perceived differences in manners between the wealthy and the poor. No substantive political developments or policy decisions are documented in this portion of the recording.","topics":["Political outreach","John B. Connally","Joe D. Waggonner, Jr.","Social commentary","Casual conversation"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T03:30:51.418Z"},"topicSlugs":["political-outreach","john-b-connally","joe-d-waggonner-jr","social-commentary","casual-conversation"],"audioDurationSec":42,"audioFiles":[{"file":"028-016.mp3","bytes":1013600,"durationSec":42.14,"bitrate":192445,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:28.083Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:39.449Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/028-016.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/028-016","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/28/conversation-028-016","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}