{"conversationCode":"028-038","tapeNumber":28,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-028-038","startDateTime":"1972-08-01T21:23:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-01T21:26:00.000Z","startDate":"1-Aug-1972","startTime":"5:23 PM","endDate":"1-Aug-1972","endTime":"5:26 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); McCarroll, John; Keys, Jim; Roger, Elmer;","description":"On August 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John McCarroll, Jim Keys, and Elmer Roger talked on the telephone from 5:23 pm to 5:26 pm. 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(President)","McCarroll, John","Keys, Jim","Roger, Elmer"],"prevCode":"028-037","nextCode":"028-039","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.56,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.58,"end":4.67,"text":"I have Mr. John McCarroll."},{"start":6.2,"end":6.38,"text":"John."},{"start":6.88,"end":7.08,"text":"Hi."},{"start":7.26,"end":7.5,"text":"Hello."},{"start":7.56,"end":8.19,"text":"Mr. President."},{"start":18.34,"end":19.9,"text":"I'll tell you other places."},{"start":20.14,"end":21.77,"text":"Just pull them in in here right now."},{"start":21.79,"end":25.6,"text":"We're at the work center in General Motors."},{"start":25.62,"end":27.09,"text":"Where is that in Pittsburgh?"},{"start":27.16,"end":28.17,"text":"Just say hi to him."},{"start":28.19,"end":29.39,"text":"Are they in Pittsburgh?"},{"start":29.47,"end":30.29,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":30.35,"end":31.16,"text":"Sure, sure."},{"start":31.48,"end":32.44,"text":"Sure."},{"start":32.46,"end":33.38,"text":"Hi, President."},{"start":33.4,"end":33.46,"text":"Hi."},{"start":33.44,"end":34.74,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":35.15,"end":38.43,"text":"I hope you're having a good time there, I hope."},{"start":38.67,"end":39.71,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":39.84,"end":41.34,"text":"Good backer here in John McCarroll."},{"start":41.5,"end":41.64,"text":"Right."},{"start":41.72,"end":45.83,"text":"Incidentally, have you got pretty good production now?"},{"start":46.17,"end":46.83,"text":"Oh, yeah, yeah."},{"start":46.93,"end":47.49,"text":"Plenty of jobs."},{"start":47.51,"end":49.41,"text":"We try to keep those cars selling."},{"start":49.43,"end":49.87,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":50.01,"end":51.26,"text":"We're going into 73 models now."},{"start":51.38,"end":52.72,"text":"Great, great."},{"start":52.74,"end":54.38,"text":"Here's Mr. Key, Jim Key."},{"start":54.4,"end":55.28,"text":"Right, right."},{"start":55.26,"end":56.47,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":56.48,"end":58.29,"text":"Mr. Keyes, you're good to talk to you."},{"start":58.31,"end":62.56,"text":"And I just hope we keep selling those cars so we have lots of jobs."},{"start":62.88,"end":63.08,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":64.58,"end":65.04,"text":"All right."},{"start":65.06,"end":66.02,"text":"Hey, this is Mr. Elmer Rogel."},{"start":66.26,"end":66.76,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":68.71,"end":69.69,"text":"How are you doing, sir?"},{"start":69.71,"end":70.79,"text":"Mr. Rogel, good to talk to you."},{"start":70.81,"end":76.96,"text":"I hope you're saying to all the fellows that I hope that business stays good so we get plenty of jobs out there."},{"start":78.2,"end":78.5,"text":"Yes, I hope."},{"start":81,"end":82.68,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":83.12,"end":85.81,"text":"Tell me, are your wives there, too, or is this just the men?"},{"start":85.85,"end":87.58,"text":"No, we're at work, sir."},{"start":87.59,"end":88.16,"text":"Oh, you're at work."},{"start":88.18,"end":89.02,"text":"I caught you in the job."},{"start":89.04,"end":90.06,"text":"Oh, that's... No, no, no."},{"start":96.69,"end":97.17,"text":"I see."},{"start":97.41,"end":101.82,"text":"Well, you give all the fellows my best and wish them well."},{"start":102.48,"end":102.72,"text":"All right."},{"start":102.94,"end":103.68,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":103.82,"end":104.18,"text":"Right."},{"start":104.38,"end":105.94,"text":"Here's to John McCall."},{"start":105.97,"end":106.31,"text":"Right."},{"start":106.33,"end":107.63,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."},{"start":107.65,"end":110.05,"text":"Well, it was good to talk to all these fellows."},{"start":110.43,"end":111.23,"text":"Well, that's terrific, Bill."},{"start":111.25,"end":114.46,"text":"And you're just sitting there having just a meeting on various matters, huh?"},{"start":114.48,"end":114.92,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":114.9,"end":119.39,"text":"We're right inside this big General Motors Fisher body plant right here."},{"start":119.95,"end":127,"text":"Whenever your call comes down, I always pair up and have a little trouble out on O-line getting it to run because remodel changes."},{"start":127.02,"end":127.34,"text":"I see."},{"start":127.48,"end":127.9,"text":"Getting going."},{"start":128.32,"end":128.84,"text":"Right."},{"start":128.92,"end":130.4,"text":"Okay, Mr. President."},{"start":130.47,"end":134.05,"text":"Well, you'll give everybody my best and my best to your wives, too."},{"start":134.17,"end":137.09,"text":"Don't stand out here looking in because they heard you were calling."},{"start":137.16,"end":138.26,"text":"Okay."},{"start":138.34,"end":138.54,"text":"All right."},{"start":138.56,"end":138.72,"text":"Great."},{"start":138.76,"end":139.18,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":139.4,"end":140.3,"text":"Give my best to your wife."},{"start":140.32,"end":140.84,"text":"Bye-bye."},{"start":140.86,"end":141.14,"text":"All right."},{"start":141.16,"end":141.68,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon held a brief, informal telephone conversation with John McCarroll and several other employees during a meeting at a General Motors Fisher Body plant in Pittsburgh. The President used the call to offer greetings, express support for the workers, and discuss the importance of maintaining strong auto sales to ensure job security. 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