{"conversationCode":"029-011","tapeNumber":29,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-029-011","startDateTime":"1972-08-04T13:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-04T13:05:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Aug-1972","startTime":"9:04 AM","endDate":"4-Aug-1972","endTime":"9:05 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On August 4, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 9:04 am to 9:05 am. 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Peterson\n                -The President’s view\n                -Restrictions\n                     -Exports\n                     -Effect on prices\n          -Ehrlichman's forthcoming briefing","filename":["029-011.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"029-010","nextCode":"029-012","transcript":[{"start":0.86,"end":3.94,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.96,"end":5.72,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5.75,"end":7.83,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":8.79,"end":10.39,"text":"On this business of the..."},{"start":11.65,"end":13.16,"text":"I'll just take a second here."},{"start":13.18,"end":24.37,"text":"On this business of the hides, I noticed something in the news summary on it where the House is, of course, voted on it, and I really want to know who the hell screwed that up."},{"start":24.41,"end":24.85,"text":"All right."},{"start":24.89,"end":25.5,"text":"You don't know which?"},{"start":25.64,"end":26.92,"text":"It wasn't the Schultz office?"},{"start":27.02,"end":28.62,"text":"No, I believe it was Commerce."},{"start":28.6,"end":29.9,"text":"But I'll find Peterson."},{"start":30.14,"end":31.29,"text":"Peterson, right."},{"start":31.31,"end":39.15,"text":"Well, as I told you, John, that might be a good trade-off, but it's a trade-off only if we can move before the Congress does something that forces tomorrow."},{"start":39.37,"end":39.87,"text":"All right."},{"start":40.05,"end":41.76,"text":"I'd hope you could get somebody on it right away."},{"start":41.8,"end":43.62,"text":"I just can't believe..."},{"start":43.6,"end":50.32,"text":"What I mean is it moves in the way I think Schultz might not have been in because it moves in a more restrictive way."},{"start":50.42,"end":52.66,"text":"It keeps the hides in the United States."},{"start":52.69,"end":52.91,"text":"Right."},{"start":53.15,"end":54.69,"text":"It says you can't export them."},{"start":55.17,"end":55.73,"text":"Right."},{"start":55.75,"end":59.32,"text":"Well, in an effort to fight the domestic market."},{"start":59.92,"end":62.51,"text":"Yeah, in an effort basically to have more hides here."},{"start":62.63,"end":62.87,"text":"Right."},{"start":62.89,"end":63.81,"text":"To pull the price down."},{"start":63.83,"end":64.64,"text":"Right."},{"start":64.66,"end":67.14,"text":"But anyway, you see what I mean."},{"start":67.16,"end":67.84,"text":"I'll be back to you."},{"start":67.86,"end":68.1,"text":"All right."},{"start":68.12,"end":68.55,"text":"Let me know."},{"start":68.56,"end":69.91,"text":"Go ahead with the briefing."},{"start":70.01,"end":70.47,"text":"Right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John Ehrlichman discussed a legislative development regarding the export of animal hides, expressing frustration over a House vote that took place without proper administration coordination. Nixon expressed concern that the restrictive nature of the bill was driven by the Department of Commerce rather than George Shultz's office. Ehrlichman was tasked with investigating the source of the legislative error and providing a follow-up briefing to the President.","topics":["Export restrictions","Hides bill","Congressional relations","Department of Commerce","George P. Shultz","Peter G. 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