{"conversationCode":"030-024","tapeNumber":30,"conversationNumber":24,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-030-024","startDateTime":"1972-09-25T21:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-25T22:10:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Sep-1972","startTime":"5:16 PM","endDate":"25-Sep-1972","endTime":"6:10 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Colson, Charles W.; Howard, W. Rick;","description":"On September 25, 1972, Charles W. Colson and W. Richard Howard talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 5:16 pm and 6:10 pm. 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Rick"],"prevCode":"030-023","nextCode":"030-025","transcript":[{"start":3.58,"end":5.56,"text":"Colson, would you give me Dick Howard, please?"},{"start":6.5,"end":7.63,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":8.11,"end":8.65,"text":"When did they take a break?"},{"start":8.67,"end":10.47,"text":"It's only in L.A. or San Francisco?"},{"start":10.49,"end":11.74,"text":"L.A."},{"start":11.76,"end":15.83,"text":"But they've been organizing out of L.A., the only place we've been."},{"start":15.85,"end":16.89,"text":"Howard's office?"},{"start":17.02,"end":18.04,"text":"Let me have it, please."},{"start":18.06,"end":18.16,"text":"Okay."},{"start":25.23,"end":25.59,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":25.68,"end":30.47,"text":"Did those statements go out from Dolan McGregor calling on the telegrams to McGovern?"},{"start":30.65,"end":31.05,"text":"No."},{"start":31.07,"end":31.43,"text":"Where are they?"},{"start":32.05,"end":33.85,"text":"No one can get McGregor to do it."},{"start":34.63,"end":39.14,"text":"He's worrying about preparing for his debate, and he hasn't had a chance to clear the statement."},{"start":39.16,"end":39.94,"text":"He hasn't cleared it yet?"},{"start":39.96,"end":41.92,"text":"Well, if he doesn't right now, it's going to be too late."},{"start":41.94,"end":42.76,"text":"It's already too late."},{"start":43.2,"end":44.7,"text":"Well, call right now."},{"start":44.82,"end":51.09,"text":"Ask Al to be sure that that doesn't go past 6 o'clock without getting that out of there."},{"start":51.23,"end":53.19,"text":"He's called me and said he's not going to be able to get it out."},{"start":53.25,"end":54.57,"text":"McGregor won't clear anything."},{"start":55.82,"end":57.04,"text":"I'll have to check Dole, though."},{"start":57.06,"end":57.77,"text":"I don't know where he is."},{"start":57.79,"end":61.84,"text":"Well, I talked to Dole myself before noon, and he was ready to go with it."},{"start":62.12,"end":63.68,"text":"Okay, I'll tell him."},{"start":63.94,"end":66.15,"text":"Yeah, I'd call Al Beck also, please."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Charles W. Colson and W. Richard Howard discuss the stalled release of a critical political statement targeting George S. McGovern, which was intended to be issued by Clark MacGregor and Robert J. Dole. Colson expresses frustration that MacGregor has failed to authorize the statement due to his preoccupation with upcoming debate preparations. 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