{"conversationCode":"030-038","tapeNumber":30,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-030-038","startDateTime":"1972-09-30T16:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-30T16:11:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Sep-1972","startTime":"12:05 PM","endDate":"30-Sep-1972","endTime":"12:11 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bohlen, Charles E. (\"Chip\");","description":"On September 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles E. (\"Chip\") Bohlen talked on the telephone from 12:05 pm to 12:11 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 030-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 30-38\n\nDate: September 30, 1972\nTime: 12:05 pm - 12:11 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Charles E. (“Chip”) Bohlen.\n\n[See Conversation No. 789-7B]\n\n       Bohlen\n                -Health\n                -Schedule\n                       -Andrei A. Gromyko\n                               -Camp David\n                -Services to country\n                -The President’s recollection\n                       -S.S. Queen Mary\n                               -Christian A. Herter Committee\n                               -Herter\n                -Health","filename":["030-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bohlen, Charles E. (\"Chip\")"],"prevCode":"030-037","nextCode":"030-039","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":0.93,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.23,"end":2.15,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":3.08,"end":8.66,"text":"I just wanted to say that I had learned that you were in the hospital."},{"start":10.29,"end":19.32,"text":"I was having a little dinner for, just private dinner for Gromyko at Camp David on Monday, and I was wondering if you could come."},{"start":19.34,"end":20.18,"text":"They said you were"},{"start":20.62,"end":28.51,"text":"sort of out of combat for the moment, but I want to wish you the best, and when you do get back, I hope we can have a visit."},{"start":28.95,"end":29.95,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."},{"start":29.97,"end":31.7,"text":"I certainly do appreciate it."},{"start":31.72,"end":42.26,"text":"You've done so much for the country, and I think back to that time that we were, as I've often said before, when we were on the Queen Mary, a new briefing,"},{"start":42.51,"end":43.35,"text":"the Herder Committee."},{"start":43.41,"end":48.55,"text":"We were all dummies in foreign policy."},{"start":49.04,"end":52.38,"text":"Chris brought you along, and it was a great job."},{"start":52.42,"end":53.92,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."},{"start":53.94,"end":55.19,"text":"I appreciate more than I can tell you."},{"start":55.2,"end":63.8,"text":"You take care, and we know you're going to, after they get through cutting out whatever they are, that you'll come back better never."},{"start":64.8,"end":66.4,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."},{"start":66.42,"end":66.62,"text":"All right."},{"start":67.28,"end":67.36,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called veteran diplomat Charles E. \"Chip\" Bohlen to express his well wishes following reports of Bohlen's hospitalization. During the exchange, Nixon also mentioned a planned private dinner at Camp David for Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei A. Gromyko and fondly recalled their past collaborative work under the Christian A. Herter Committee. The conversation served primarily as a personal gesture of support and appreciation for Bohlen’s long-standing service to the country.","topics":["Charles E. Bohlen","Andrei A. Gromyko","Christian A. Herter Committee","Diplomacy","Presidential health well-wishes"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T03:44:47.227Z"},"topicSlugs":["charles-e-bohlen","andrei-a-gromyko","christian-a-herter-committee","diplomacy","presidential-health-well-wishes"],"audioDurationSec":70,"audioFiles":[{"file":"030-038.mp3","bytes":1687091,"durationSec":70.24,"bitrate":192151,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:28.084Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/030-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/030-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/30/conversation-030-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}