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Conversation 031-009

TapeTape 31StartFriday, October 6, 1972 at 10:14 AMEndFriday, October 6, 1972 at 10:16 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Shivers, AllanRecording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On October 6, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Allan Shivers talked on the telephone from 10:14 am to 10:16 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 031-009 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 31-9

Date: October 6, 1972
Time: 10:14 am - 10:16 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Allan Shivers.

[See Conversation No. 793-9B]

        The President's extension of birthday greetings
            -Age

                                         (rev. Oct-06)

                 -Konrad Adenauer
                 -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                 -Gen. Charles A.J.M. De Gaulle
                 -Winston S. Churchill
                 -Social Security
             -Mr. and Mrs. Allan Shivers
                 -Wedding anniversary
             -James F. Byrnes
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Mr. President, former Governor Alan Shivers for you.
Hello?
Hello.
Alan, I was surprised to read this morning that my old friend Alan Shivers is actually a little older than I was, and I had to congratulate you before you began to realize it.
So I wish you a happy birthday.
And I want to tell you that, you know, I have just finishing the 50s.
I'll start in the 60s in 1973.
Do you think they're good years or not?
Do you recommend it or do you think I should just give up now?
So far they've been pretty kind to me.
I recommend them.
One thing I've tried to do is keep them from stopping.
That's right.
Well, you know, every time you get any discouragement, you can think of what a lot of people did, like Adenauer and Eisenhower and Churchill and De Gaulle after they were 70.
They're pretty good.
So let's not even think the 60s are a stopping place.
Don't forget, I'm eligible for Medicare now.
Oh, God almighty, and Social Security.
All right, I'll raise Social Security for shivers.
They probably won't even take care of your tip and money.
I said, no, I don't know how the devil that got in the paper, but the Spidey Fox will love you to call.
No, we saw it up here, and one of our guys, Shivers, I don't follow many these days, but I thought, my God, that fellow can't be 65.
Then I thought to myself, my God, I can't be 59.
It was our wedding anniversary also.
Your wedding anniversary, too?
Yes, we're over at our farm in East Texas.
That is terrific.
And yesterday was my birthday and our 55th wedding anniversary.
You give your wife a message.
And incidentally, I don't know whether you know, but did you know that there's another great fellow who worked with you in 52 who had exactly the same name, Jimmy Barnes?
Yes.
Jimmy Barnes' birthday was always on his wedding anniversary.
Right, I remember.
And I went down to his, just two years before he died, I was there in South Carolina when they celebrated his 80th.
I don't know, his 60th, 5th wedding anniversary or something.
Well, anyway, I hope you live as long as he did.
Well, thank you, Mike.
Thank you a lot for calling.
Thank you.
Good to talk to you.
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