{"conversationCode":"032-111","tapeNumber":32,"conversationNumber":111,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-032-111","startDateTime":"1972-11-01T14:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-01T14:17:00.000Z","startDate":"1-Nov-1972","startTime":"9:15 AM","endDate":"1-Nov-1972","endTime":"9:17 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Jurgenson, Christian A. (\"Sonny\");","description":"On November 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Christian A. (\"Sonny\") Jurgenson talked on the telephone from 9:15 am to 9:17 am. 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(\"Sonny\") Jurgenson.\n\n[See Conversation No. 379-8]\n\n        Jurgenson's location\n\n        Jurgenson's career\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n             -Possible retirement\n                 -Newspaper reports\n                      -Wasahington Post or Washington Star\n                 -The President's advice\n                      -Earl Morrall\n                      -Injuries\n                      -Talent\n                      -Return to football\n\n        Washington Redskins-Dallas Cowboys game\n           -Outcome\n           -Jurgenson's injury\n\n        Jurgenson's career\n            -Duke University","filename":["032-111.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Jurgenson, Christian A. (\"Sonny\")"],"prevCode":"032-110","nextCode":"032-112","transcript":[{"start":1.28,"end":2.86,"text":"President, I have Mr. Jurgensen on the line."},{"start":4.08,"end":4.2,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.83,"end":5.43,"text":"Mr. President?"},{"start":5.77,"end":6.05,"text":"Sonny?"},{"start":6.45,"end":7.15,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":7.17,"end":8.01,"text":"You're at the hospital?"},{"start":8.45,"end":9.13,"text":"Yes, I am."},{"start":9.73,"end":30,"text":"I'll tell you, you know, the whole town, as you know, is really, really profoundly sorry about the whole thing, but the thing I called you about was this, that I saw some piece in the poster of the Star that affected you saying that you wouldn't come back next year, and I just want to tell you you ought to do it."},{"start":30.46,"end":38.67,"text":"I mean, heck, you know, I'm sort of the originator of coming back when everybody had thought it couldn't make it, you know."},{"start":39.35,"end":45.88,"text":"And with all your talent, I mean, gosh, when you see what, well, look what Marl's doing down there."},{"start":46.58,"end":48.18,"text":"Well, it's true, Mr. President."},{"start":48.2,"end":52.53,"text":"When you've been laid out two years in a row, it's a difficult thing to make."},{"start":52.67,"end":52.79,"text":"It is."},{"start":52.81,"end":53.61,"text":"Well, it is, I know."},{"start":53.65,"end":55.19,"text":"But, you know, you've been out to years."},{"start":55.41,"end":57.71,"text":"First you had your shoulder, and then you had this thing."},{"start":58.32,"end":68.39,"text":"On the other hand, the thing that you have that the other fellows don't have, I mean, as good as they are, I wouldn't take it away, but you can throw better than anybody else."},{"start":68.73,"end":72.42,"text":"And also you've got that little spark, you know."},{"start":72.54,"end":81.22,"text":"And by golly, just the main thing at this time, you're sitting in there and all that pain and the rest, you've just got to do it."},{"start":81.34,"end":82.74,"text":"You've got to take another crack at it."},{"start":83.21,"end":87.6,"text":"because you weigh it, but an awful lot of people are pulling for you."},{"start":88.42,"end":96.11,"text":"And I must say, I saw the Dallas game on TV, and, boy, that was a great one."},{"start":96.13,"end":99.7,"text":"That second half was really something to see."},{"start":100.34,"end":102.86,"text":"But this is just one of those freak accidents, wasn't it?"},{"start":102.88,"end":105.97,"text":"You probably stepped in some darn hole and just sort of nipped this thing, huh?"},{"start":106.53,"end":107.19,"text":"I think I did."},{"start":107.25,"end":108.08,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":108.1,"end":110.62,"text":"I certainly do appreciate you calling and wishing me well."},{"start":110.64,"end":111.64,"text":"Well, we wish you well."},{"start":111.86,"end":114.25,"text":"And just keep that old spirit up."},{"start":114.29,"end":115.47,"text":"You know, the redheads never give up."},{"start":115.81,"end":116.31,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":116.33,"end":117.04,"text":"Never, never."},{"start":117.56,"end":117.96,"text":"Thank you, sir."},{"start":117.98,"end":119,"text":"Apart from being from Duke."},{"start":119.8,"end":120.2,"text":"Okay."},{"start":120.4,"end":120.75,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":120.77,"end":121.15,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called Washington Redskins quarterback Sonny Jurgensen at the hospital to express his personal sympathies following a recent injury. 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