{"conversationCode":"032-148","tapeNumber":32,"conversationNumber":148,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-032-148","startDateTime":"1972-11-02T17:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-02T17:09:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Nov-1972","startTime":"12:07 PM","endDate":"2-Nov-1972","endTime":"12:09 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Pappas, Thomas A.;","description":"On November 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thomas A. Pappas talked on the telephone from 12:07 pm to 12:09 pm. 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(“Pat”) Nixon's assessment\n                     -Rally\n                 -Location\n                     -Boston\n\n         Campaign practices\n            -Demonstrators\n                -Appearance\n                -Violence\n\n         Pappas's work on the campaign\n","filename":["032-148.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Pappas, Thomas A."],"prevCode":"032-147","nextCode":"032-149","transcript":[{"start":1.79,"end":2.77,"text":"Mr. Tom Pappas."},{"start":5.71,"end":5.99,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6.32,"end":7.3,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":7.32,"end":11.1,"text":"Tom, I wanted you to know that my wife just thought you put on a great dinner."},{"start":11.14,"end":17.6,"text":"She said it was one of the best rallies they ever had, and I said, well, that's what I expected from you."},{"start":17.92,"end":21.9,"text":"She says it was a marvelous show and right in the heart of Boston."},{"start":21.88,"end":23.65,"text":"That was fantastic."},{"start":24.19,"end":27.72,"text":"And as far as those demonstrators, I think they helped you, don't you think?"},{"start":27.78,"end":28.4,"text":"They certainly did."},{"start":28.48,"end":33.51,"text":"I tell people we had 8,000 inside and we had 7,000 outside."},{"start":33.53,"end":34.57,"text":"What does it matter?"},{"start":35.41,"end":36.79,"text":"They were such nasty-looking people."},{"start":36.81,"end":38,"text":"Nasty-looking, dirty."},{"start":38.02,"end":40.28,"text":"Burned cars and they slashed tires and..."},{"start":40.26,"end":41.83,"text":"How do you feel, Mr. President?"},{"start":41.84,"end":42.89,"text":"Fine, fine, fine."},{"start":42.97,"end":44.01,"text":"Take care of yourself."},{"start":44.07,"end":44.81,"text":"We're just fine."},{"start":44.83,"end":45.59,"text":"And how are you feeling?"},{"start":45.66,"end":46.52,"text":"Wonderful."},{"start":46.54,"end":47.76,"text":"Well, we've got four more days."},{"start":47.78,"end":48.56,"text":"You keep running."},{"start":48.6,"end":51.57,"text":"Yeah, I've been keep running all the time."},{"start":51.63,"end":52.09,"text":"I know you do."},{"start":52.11,"end":52.88,"text":"God bless you."},{"start":52.91,"end":53.54,"text":"Take care."},{"start":53.7,"end":54.44,"text":"God bless."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called Thomas A. 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