Conversation 032-162

TapeTape 32StartFriday, November 3, 1972 at 9:12 AMEndFriday, November 3, 1972 at 9:16 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Brooke, Edward W.Recording deviceWhite House Telephone

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On November 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Edward W. Brooke talked on the telephone from 9:12 am to 9:16 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 032-162 of the White House Tapes.

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Conversation No. 032-162

Date: November 3, 1972
Time: 9:12 am - 9:16 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Edward W. Brooke.

[See Conversation No. 391-23]

        Greetings

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       1972 election

               -Edward W. Brooke's strength in Massachusetts
                      -Impact on the President's campaign
               -The President's trips
                      -State races for Senate
                              -Massachusetts
               -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon’s trip to Boston
                      -Hecklers
                      -Thomas A. Pappas
                      -Leslie (“Bob”) Hope
               -The President's campaign

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        Vietnam
            -Break-through
            -Previous briefing for Brooke
            -Speculation on meetings
                -North Vietnam’s delays
                     -Timing with the election
            -Possible breakdown
            -Break-through
                -Brooke’s statements
                     -Ceasefire
                     -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                     -South Vietnam’s self-determination
                          -Coalition government
            -Final meeting before signing
                -Agreement on details
                     -1968 bombing halt
                -Date
            -North Vietnamese posture
                -The President’s response
                     -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

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       1972 election
              -Rhode Island vote
                     -Influence in Massachusetts
              -Brooke’s best wishes
                     -Victory

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                                                                             Conversation No. 032-163

Date: November 3, 1972
Time: 9:22 am - 9:24 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Clifford P. Case.

[See Conversation No. 391-24]

        Greetings

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       1972 election
              -The President's trips

                     -Senate race candidates
               -New Jersey senate race
                     -Clifford P. Case's prospects
                             -Polls
                                     -Landslide
                     -The President's campaign

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        Vietnam
            -Negotiations
                -Break-through
                    -The President’s recent statement
                -Cases’s possible future statements
                -North Vietnam commitment
                    -Compared with previous bombing halt
                -Agreements
                    -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                    -Ceasefire
                    -Electoral commission
                -Remaining differences

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       1972 election
              -Case's campaign
              -The President's trips
                      -Oklahoma
                             -Close race
              -Get out the vote

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Transcript (AI-Generated)

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We've, uh, you know, made this, uh, you can probably read between the lines, this significant, uh,

breakthrough on the negotiations.

There are still some things to work out, but I'm confident they will be.

Well, I appreciated that briefing last Sunday.

Is there any possibility that a meeting will be set up soon?

I would say this.

I wouldn't speculate about it, Ed, if I were you.

I wouldn't for this reason that we just can't say.

My own, my guess would be that, and I wouldn't want to be quoted on it, but my guess would be

We're probably going to wait until after the election now, you see.

It's fine with us.

But the major things, as was pointed out, have been worked out.

That's the important thing.

But he seems to be pressing, I presume he will tonight, you know, that it's falling apart.

It isn't.

I've been saying, you know, that we'll never let it.

You can be very confident.

You can be very confident on that point, as I was last night in my speech.

You say we have made a major breakthrough.

We have reached agreement on the major items, in other words, on a ceasefire, on the return of our POWs, on giving the South Vietnamese the opportunity to choose their own government without having a communist coalition imposed on them against their will.

Will there be a final meeting before the actual signing?

Oh, yes.

Yes, there has to be another meeting.

That's the whole point.

Work out the details, and details are terribly important.

As I pointed out, because we didn't work out the details in the bombing out in 1968,

is only a pause and not a halt.

So we want these details.

There will have to be another meeting.

But you can still be confident at that point.

I wouldn't say anything about the date.

I can only say that you can well see that they haven't rejected the idea.

And I'm very confident about it.

Are they still showing flexibility in that regard?

Oh, certainly, yeah.

They want it, certainly.

look at it as Haig probably said, the factors all run in that direction.

But we're confident we're going to have an agreement, but we're insisting that it be the right kind of agreement so that it'll last.

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