{"conversationCode":"032-162","tapeNumber":32,"conversationNumber":162,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-032-162","startDateTime":"1972-11-03T14:12:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-03T14:16:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Nov-1972","startTime":"9:12 AM","endDate":"3-Nov-1972","endTime":"9:16 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Brooke, Edward W.;","description":"On November 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Edward W. Brooke talked on the telephone from 9:12 am to 9:16 am. 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Brooke.\n\n[See Conversation No. 391-23]\n\n        Greetings\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 01/25/2018.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[032-162-w001]\n[Duration: 59s]\n\n       1972 election\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n               -Edward W. Brooke's strength in Massachusetts\n                      -Impact on the President's campaign\n               -The President's trips\n                      -State races for Senate\n                              -Massachusetts\n               -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon’s trip to Boston\n                      -Hecklers\n                      -Thomas A. Pappas\n                      -Leslie (“Bob”) Hope\n               -The President's campaign\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n        Vietnam\n            -Break-through\n            -Previous briefing for Brooke\n            -Speculation on meetings\n                -North Vietnam’s delays\n                     -Timing with the election\n            -Possible breakdown\n            -Break-through\n                -Brooke’s statements\n                     -Ceasefire\n                     -Prisoners of war [POWs]\n                     -South Vietnam’s self-determination\n                          -Coalition government\n            -Final meeting before signing\n                -Agreement on details\n                     -1968 bombing halt\n                -Date\n            -North Vietnamese posture\n                -The President’s response\n                     -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 01/25/2018.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[032-162-w003]\n[Duration: 15s]\n\n       1972 election\n              -Rhode Island vote\n                     -Influence in Massachusetts\n              -Brooke’s best wishes\n                     -Victory\n\n******************************************************************************","filename":["032-162.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Brooke, Edward W."],"prevCode":"032-161","nextCode":"032-163","transcript":[{"start":1.04,"end":20.5,"text":"We've, uh, you know, made this, uh, you can probably read between the lines, this significant, uh,"},{"start":21.26,"end":23.18,"text":"breakthrough on the negotiations."},{"start":23.24,"end":26.97,"text":"There are still some things to work out, but I'm confident they will be."},{"start":27.19,"end":29.21,"text":"Well, I appreciated that briefing last Sunday."},{"start":29.65,"end":34.03,"text":"Is there any possibility that a meeting will be set up soon?"},{"start":34.38,"end":35.16,"text":"I would say this."},{"start":36.34,"end":38.44,"text":"I wouldn't speculate about it, Ed, if I were you."},{"start":39.52,"end":41.95,"text":"I wouldn't for this reason that we just can't say."},{"start":41.98,"end":50.35,"text":"My own, my guess would be that, and I wouldn't want to be quoted on it, but my guess would be"},{"start":51.35,"end":57.42,"text":"We're probably going to wait until after the election now, you see."},{"start":58.32,"end":58.94,"text":"It's fine with us."},{"start":60.78,"end":64.47,"text":"But the major things, as was pointed out, have been worked out."},{"start":64.63,"end":65.47,"text":"That's the important thing."},{"start":65.49,"end":69.69,"text":"But he seems to be pressing, I presume he will tonight, you know, that it's falling apart."},{"start":69.8,"end":70.22,"text":"It isn't."},{"start":70.6,"end":73.3,"text":"I've been saying, you know, that we'll never let it."},{"start":73.32,"end":74.42,"text":"You can be very confident."},{"start":74.46,"end":78.53,"text":"You can be very confident on that point, as I was last night in my speech."},{"start":78.55,"end":80.51,"text":"You say we have made a major breakthrough."},{"start":81.13,"end":94.27,"text":"We have reached agreement on the major items, in other words, on a ceasefire, on the return of our POWs, on giving the South Vietnamese the opportunity to choose their own government without having a communist coalition imposed on them against their will."},{"start":94.29,"end":97.67,"text":"Will there be a final meeting before the actual signing?"},{"start":98.19,"end":98.85,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":98.87,"end":101.02,"text":"Yes, there has to be another meeting."},{"start":101.06,"end":101.88,"text":"That's the whole point."},{"start":102.6,"end":105.48,"text":"Work out the details, and details are terribly important."},{"start":106.18,"end":110.33,"text":"As I pointed out, because we didn't work out the details in the bombing out in 1968,"},{"start":110.93,"end":112.72,"text":"is only a pause and not a halt."},{"start":114.76,"end":116.1,"text":"So we want these details."},{"start":116.16,"end":117.5,"text":"There will have to be another meeting."},{"start":117.78,"end":123.95,"text":"But you can still be confident at that point."},{"start":124.05,"end":125.43,"text":"I wouldn't say anything about the date."},{"start":125.81,"end":130,"text":"I can only say that you can well see that they haven't rejected the idea."},{"start":130.2,"end":132.8,"text":"And I'm very confident about it."},{"start":132.84,"end":135,"text":"Are they still showing flexibility in that regard?"},{"start":135.78,"end":137.54,"text":"Oh, certainly, yeah."},{"start":137.79,"end":139.71,"text":"They want it, certainly."},{"start":140.33,"end":144.8,"text":"look at it as Haig probably said, the factors all run in that direction."},{"start":144.88,"end":155,"text":"But we're confident we're going to have an agreement, but we're insisting that it be the right kind of agreement so that it'll last."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon briefed Senator Edward Brooke on the progress of peace negotiations regarding the Vietnam War, confirming that a significant breakthrough had been achieved on core issues such as a ceasefire, the return of POWs, and South Vietnamese self-determination. 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