{"conversationCode":"032-164","tapeNumber":32,"conversationNumber":164,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-032-164","startDateTime":"1972-11-03T14:38:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-03T14:42:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Nov-1972","startTime":"9:38 AM","endDate":"3-Nov-1972","endTime":"9:42 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Hatfield, Mark O.; Hatfield, Mark O. (Mrs.);","description":"On November 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Mark O. Hatfield, and Mrs. Mark O. Hatfield talked on the telephone from 9:38 am to 9:42 am. 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Hatfield.\n\n[See Conversation No. 391-26]\n\n        Greetings\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 01/25/2018.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal returnable]\n[032-164-w001]\n[Duration: 36s]\n\n       1972 election\n              -Hatfield's location\n                      -Oregon\n              -The President's visits\n              -Hatfield's race\n                      -The President's best wishes\n                      -Get out the vote\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n        Vietnam\n            -Vote of confidence\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 01/25/2018.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[032-164-w002]\n[Duration: 16s]\n\n       1972 election\n              -The President's campaign\n                     -Support for the President\n                             -Strength\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n        Vietnam\n            -Negotiations\n                -Break-through\n                    -Hopes\n                    -The President’s recent statement\n\n        The President's forthcoming radio speech on foreign policy\n            -Release\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/12/2017.\n1m 45s segment cleared for release with two segments of 10s and 16s remaining closed as 032-\n164-w003 and 032-164-w004 respectively.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[032-164-w003]\n[Duration: 1m 45s]\n\n       Antoinette Hatfield\n              -Portrait of Thelma C. (“Pat”) (Ryan) Nixon\n                      -President’s opinion\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n                       -Ben Grant\n                              -US News & World Report\n                       -Painted by Elizabeth Grant\n                       -Mark O. Hatfield’s opinion\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Personal Returnable]\n[032-164-w003]\n[Duration: 10s]\n\nThe President talked with Mrs. Mark O. Hatfield at an unknown time between 9:38 and 9:42 am.\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nThe President talked with Mrs. Mark O. Hatfield at an unknown time between 9:38 and 9:42 am.\n\n       Greetings\n\n       Portrait of Thelma C. (“Pat”) (Ryan) Nixon\n\n       1972 Election\n              -Hatfield's race\n                      -Latest reports\n              -The President's trips\n                      -Close senate races\n                      -Oregon is a cinch\n              -Get the vote out\n              -Turn-out\n              -Celebration of victory\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n[Personal Returnable]\n[032-164-w004]\n[Duration: 16s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n       Appreciation for telephone call\n\n       Portrait of Thelma C. (“Pat”) (Ryan) Nixon\n               -Antoinette Hatfield’s opinion\n               -Elizabeth Grant\n\n******************************************************************************","filename":["032-164.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Hatfield, Mark O.","Hatfield, Mark O. (Mrs.)"],"prevCode":"032-163","nextCode":"032-165","transcript":[{"start":0.52,"end":21.13,"text":"And to tell them that we're moving now towards the peace that we all want, and we need a vote of confidence right at this point."},{"start":21.51,"end":23.79,"text":"Well, I'll certainly do so, as I have been."},{"start":34.02,"end":37.6,"text":"Don't let them get discouraged about the negotiations."},{"start":37.64,"end":45.59,"text":"As we all know, while we've made the major breakthrough on the major items, we just want to be sure we get the details nailed down."},{"start":45.73,"end":46.23,"text":"That's right."},{"start":46.41,"end":48.27,"text":"And we're not going to do this for political purposes."},{"start":48.37,"end":50.13,"text":"But anyway, it's moving along."},{"start":50.44,"end":51.3,"text":"That's wonderful."},{"start":51.56,"end":56.74,"text":"Moving along, and we don't want to raise hopes, but I can assure you that we've made a major breakthrough."},{"start":57.46,"end":58.87,"text":"I said last night on TV."},{"start":59.06,"end":63.09,"text":"And I just want to congratulate you for it, because it's something that..."},{"start":63.11,"end":63.45,"text":"I know it's"},{"start":63.7,"end":73.55,"text":"Bothered a lot of people, but I'm going to make a foreign policy speech tomorrow covering other things in Vietnam on radio, and you may find it interesting."},{"start":73.93,"end":76.71,"text":"It'll be made for Saturday while I'm traveling around the country."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with Senator Mark O. 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