{"conversationCode":"033-020","tapeNumber":33,"conversationNumber":20,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-033-020","startDateTime":"1972-11-04T15:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-04T15:19:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Nov-1972","startTime":"10:17 AM","endDate":"4-Nov-1972","endTime":"10:19 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); MacIver, John K.;","description":"On November 4, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John K. MacIver talked on the telephone from 10:17 am to 10:19 am. 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MacIver.\n\n[See Conversation No. 389-11K]\n\n       Greetings\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift during\nchronological review 2007-2013]\n\n       1972 Election\n            -Wisconsin\n                  -The President's schedule\n                       -Primaries\n                  -MacIver's organization\n                       -The President's appreciation\n            -Issues\n                  -Peace with honor\n                  -US Strength\n\f                                             - 23 -\n\n                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 33-114 (cont’d)\n\n                  -Prosperity\n                        -War, inflation\n             -House of Representatives seats\n                  -Volunteers\n                        -John D. Ehrlichman\n             -Wisconsin\n                  -Democratic primary\n                  -Outlook\n                  -1968 campaign\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["033-020.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","MacIver, John K."],"prevCode":"033-019","nextCode":"033-021","transcript":[{"start":2.68,"end":3.14,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.16,"end":4.24,"text":"Chairman McIver, Mr. President."},{"start":4.26,"end":4.42,"text":"Right."},{"start":6.57,"end":6.69,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6.71,"end":8.03,"text":"Good morning, Mr. President."},{"start":9.27,"end":11.62,"text":"John, I couldn't get up to Wisconsin this time."},{"start":11.7,"end":22.04,"text":"Of course, it's a state that I have been to so often because of the primaries in the past, but I know with the marvelous organization you have, with the good support we have in"},{"start":22.59,"end":26.04,"text":"state and so many communities that we're going to come through on Election Day."},{"start":26.08,"end":31.55,"text":"And the purpose of my call is to thank you, and will you tell all the workers, express my thanks."},{"start":32.09,"end":39.8,"text":"Second, to urge that everybody get out and vote on Election Day, because the issues are bigger than party."},{"start":39.86,"end":48.03,"text":"They involve peace with honor rather than with surrender, and a strong America rather than a weak America, and prosperity."},{"start":48.41,"end":50.23,"text":"without war and without inflation."},{"start":50.34,"end":54.42,"text":"And those are causes worth fighting for and worth voting for, we think."},{"start":55,"end":56.1,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."},{"start":56.12,"end":58.69,"text":"Appreciate it very much, and we certainly appreciate the call."},{"start":58.71,"end":63.17,"text":"And I hope that you're doing well, too, John, on those other, on those House seats up there."},{"start":63.19,"end":64.67,"text":"I know you've got some close ones, so."},{"start":66.38,"end":66.5,"text":"We do."},{"start":66.52,"end":72.22,"text":"John Ehrlichman, that we have more volunteers going out door to door this time than we've ever had in the state."},{"start":72.39,"end":80,"text":"We know that Wisconsin is a tougher state for us because the opposition was in there in a primary."},{"start":80.42,"end":89.23,"text":"But on the other hand, I think from what I've heard, that you have solidified the thing in the last three or four days."},{"start":89.75,"end":90.89,"text":"It's looking much better, yes."},{"start":90.91,"end":91.44,"text":"Is it?"},{"start":91.45,"end":91.81,"text":"Good."},{"start":93.1,"end":94.64,"text":"Okay, John, we count on you."},{"start":94.7,"end":98.4,"text":"I remember how we counted on you back in 68, and you came through."},{"start":98.94,"end":100.06,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."},{"start":100.17,"end":101.49,"text":"Bye, bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called Wisconsin campaign chairman John K. MacIver to express his appreciation for the local organization's efforts and to encourage a strong voter turnout in the final days of the 1972 election. The two discussed campaign themes, including the President's commitment to peace with honor, economic prosperity, and national strength. 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