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Conversation 034-019

TapeTape 34StartTuesday, December 5, 1972 at 8:56 AMEndTuesday, December 5, 1972 at 8:59 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kennedy, Richard T. (Col.)Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On December 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Col. Richard T. Kennedy talked on the telephone from 8:56 am to 8:59 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 034-019 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 34-19

Date: December 5, 1972
Time: 8:56 am – 8:59 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Col. Richard T. Kennedy.

[See Conversation No. 387-4C]

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Call from Henry A. Kissinger
                   -Paris meeting
                         -Timing
                   -Kissinger’s possible return
                         -Impression
                   -US bombing of North Vietnam
                         -Timing
                               -Cable to Kissinger
                               -Cable from Kissinger
            -Settlement agreement
                   -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                         -Possible briefing by Kennedy
                               -Comment by Agnew
                               -Stalemate
                               -Postponement
                                     -Kissinger
                               -Agnew’s trip
                                     -Timing
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Yeah.
Colonel Kennedy, Mr. President.
Yeah.
Hello, Mr. President.
Sorry to bother you so quickly, but I got back to find that I just received a call from Henry.
He has postponed the meeting until tomorrow at 1030 for his time, which will be 430 in the morning here.
He does not believe that he should come back, although he appreciated immensely your thought that this would fill this feeling.
It would give the wrong impression on the other side, and that's his principal concern.
Also, he said the...
I don't want him to be in a begging position with them.
I hope that he's not in a whining position that, well, we're asking for a postponement because they're so tough.
See, that's the thing I'm concerned about here.
No, I think, I don't think, given what he had apparently said to them, I don't think there could be any chance of that.
The other thing is that I want you to cable in on us whether or not he'd like a couple of strikes right now, in other words.
Yes, I asked him that in the cable last night.
And he said he has a cable off to us, so we should be getting it very shortly.
Right, right.
There's one other thing, sir, I wanted your guidance on.
The vice president had asked that I come over this morning to sort of begin to brief him up on the agreement.
No, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You should go over, however, and tell him that at the present time he is to say absolutely nothing.
The thing is stalemated at the moment and that we don't know what the agreement is going to be and that you'd like to, I've directed that you postpone for 48 hours.
Tell him that Henry's postponed for 48 hours.
Is that all right?
All right, sir.
And just not go into the agreement at all?
Yeah.
And say at this point that we're stalemated on some critical points and therefore that it would really be a waste of his time.
until we have it over, and that I just say that I said wait till tomorrow, for him to wait till tomorrow for that, because tell him that in any event, his trip, if it takes place, will not take place.
See, the reason he's asking this, he thought he would take off Wednesday, isn't it?
Tell him it will not be until Friday at the earliest.
Right.
Just say that.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Yes, sir.
That's the way you can buy time.
Don't go over and get into the damned agreement with him at this point, because he wouldn't understand it anyway.
I understand, sir.
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