{"conversationCode":"034-060","tapeNumber":34,"conversationNumber":60,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-034-060","startDateTime":"1972-12-13T16:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-13T16:21:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Dec-1972","startTime":"11:19 AM","endDate":"13-Dec-1972","endTime":"11:21 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Eisenhower, Julie Nixon;","description":"On December 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower talked on the telephone from 11:19 am to 11:21 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 034-060 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 34-60\n\nDate: December 13, 1972\nTime: 11:19 am - 11:21 am\n\f                                             -50-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 34-60 (cont’d)\n\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Julie Nixon Eisenhower.\n\n[See Conversation No. 385-30B]\n\n*****************************************************************\n[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n\n       Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s employment\n             -Paul Healy interview\n             -Ronald L. Ziegler’s role\n                   -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s view\n                   -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n                   -The President’s call to Ziegler\n                   -Timing\n\n[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n*****************************************************************","filename":["034-060.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Eisenhower, Julie Nixon"],"prevCode":"034-059","nextCode":"034-061","transcript":[{"start":0.84,"end":1.94,"text":"I didn't have Julie."},{"start":2.28,"end":2.64,"text":"Hi."},{"start":3,"end":4.37,"text":"Are you over at the house?"},{"start":4.71,"end":8.69,"text":"Yeah, I'm having an interview with Paul Healy."},{"start":9.29,"end":9.91,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":9.93,"end":12.28,"text":"He's writing a book on... Oh, that's great."},{"start":12.29,"end":18.1,"text":"But I wanted to tell you, I think that the next step is to get Ron to come over."},{"start":19.1,"end":21.29,"text":"Well, let me ask you... Tell Ron."},{"start":21.3,"end":21.65,"text":"Are you..."},{"start":21.73,"end":22.21,"text":"Call Ron."},{"start":22.23,"end":22.87,"text":"Are you... No, no."},{"start":22.97,"end":24.23,"text":"Are you where you can talk now?"},{"start":24.47,"end":24.77,"text":"Yes."},{"start":25.43,"end":25.93,"text":"Fine."},{"start":25.95,"end":30.16,"text":"Well, as a matter of fact, I was just talking about that here with Bob Holliman and"},{"start":30.57,"end":38.29,"text":"And that's what he had suggested, that he says Ron is enthusiastic, that he'd very much like to do it, and has a way and a plan and so forth."},{"start":38.98,"end":41.26,"text":"Now, would you want me to"},{"start":42,"end":46.29,"text":"to have Ron talk to your mother about it, just alone?"},{"start":47.01,"end":50.87,"text":"I think with both of us, they are fine, because she's very honest, you know."},{"start":51.63,"end":51.79,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":51.94,"end":55.48,"text":"So I think if Ron has time for you this afternoon, it would be really good."},{"start":56.02,"end":56.72,"text":"Fine."},{"start":56.74,"end":60.33,"text":"So I'll call Ron and... Let me arrange it with Ron."},{"start":60.89,"end":61.17,"text":"Good."},{"start":61.57,"end":67.26,"text":"I'll arrange it and tell him to call... Tell him to call mother and... Yeah, and say he'd like to call her at a certain time."},{"start":67.34,"end":68.04,"text":"Like around 2?"},{"start":68.76,"end":69.42,"text":"Two o'clock?"},{"start":69.47,"end":69.77,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":69.87,"end":70.25,"text":"Fine."},{"start":70.53,"end":70.89,"text":"All right."},{"start":70.91,"end":71.41,"text":"Fine."},{"start":71.43,"end":72.25,"text":"Great."},{"start":72.27,"end":72.67,"text":"All right."},{"start":72.69,"end":72.95,"text":"Okay."},{"start":72.97,"end":73.32,"text":"Fine."},{"start":73.34,"end":74.72,"text":"If that's a good time, good luck."},{"start":74.74,"end":75.12,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":75.14,"end":76.06,"text":"Give Mr. Healy my best."},{"start":76.12,"end":76.53,"text":"Okay."},{"start":76.55,"end":76.67,"text":"Bye."},{"start":76.73,"end":77.19,"text":"Good man."},{"start":77.53,"end":79.41,"text":"Good man."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower discuss coordinating a meeting between Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler and First Lady Pat Nixon regarding Julie’s career plans. Following consultation with H.R. Haldeman, the President decides to facilitate the outreach himself to ensure a direct discussion. The President tasks Ziegler with calling the First Lady to schedule a meeting for that afternoon.","topics":["Julie Nixon Eisenhower","Ronald L. Ziegler","Pat Nixon","H.R. 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