{"conversationCode":"034-137","tapeNumber":34,"conversationNumber":137,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-034-137","startDateTime":"1972-12-20T01:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-20T01:17:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Dec-1972","startTime":"8:16 PM","endDate":"19-Dec-1972","endTime":"8:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rush, [David] Kenneth;","description":"On December 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and [David] Kenneth Rush talked on the telephone from 8:16 pm to 8:17 pm. 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(President)","Rush, [David] Kenneth"],"prevCode":"034-136","nextCode":"034-138","transcript":[{"start":0.55,"end":1.53,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.59,"end":5.58,"text":"Mr. President, I have Secretary Rush calling you."},{"start":5.6,"end":6.18,"text":"Oh, fine."},{"start":6.2,"end":6.66,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":6.68,"end":6.94,"text":"All right."},{"start":8.48,"end":9.43,"text":"There's the President."},{"start":9.45,"end":10.37,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":10.39,"end":11.19,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":11.29,"end":11.81,"text":"Hi, Ken."},{"start":11.83,"end":12.01,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":12.19,"end":15.99,"text":"This bastard has been doing this off and on for years, I find."},{"start":16.63,"end":16.87,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":16.89,"end":17.98,"text":"He's a civil servant."},{"start":18.28,"end":18.42,"text":"Oh."},{"start":18.84,"end":20.4,"text":"We cannot fire him."},{"start":20.42,"end":20.64,"text":"Yep."},{"start":20.66,"end":27.05,"text":"But what we can do is remove him from all of his responsibilities and begin to file charges against him tomorrow."},{"start":27.09,"end":29.33,"text":"I've ordered them to prepare charges starting tonight."},{"start":29.61,"end":30.45,"text":"All right, good."},{"start":30.47,"end":31.91,"text":"And go after him tomorrow."},{"start":32.03,"end":32.68,"text":"That's the thing to do."},{"start":32.94,"end":35.06,"text":"We're not going to allow this sort of thing to happen."},{"start":35.08,"end":37.48,"text":"The civil service charges may take a year to get through."},{"start":37.52,"end":39.7,"text":"But meanwhile, we can relieve him of all responsible..."},{"start":39.72,"end":41.01,"text":"But he's been doing it for years, huh?"},{"start":41.02,"end":41.99,"text":"He's been doing it for years."},{"start":42.43,"end":44.45,"text":"He has a lot of friends on the Hill, it turns out."},{"start":44.47,"end":47.71,"text":"And he's been getting by with this thing for a long, long time."},{"start":48.83,"end":49.47,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":49.49,"end":51.35,"text":"But we've got to move on him, don't you agree?"},{"start":51.38,"end":52.6,"text":"I do agree, yes."},{"start":52.62,"end":52.88,"text":"Okay."},{"start":52.94,"end":53.84,"text":"I think this is very bad."},{"start":54.18,"end":54.52,"text":"All right."},{"start":54.86,"end":55.36,"text":"Take him on."},{"start":55.56,"end":55.96,"text":"Okay."},{"start":56.18,"end":57.88,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Deputy Secretary of Defense Kenneth Rush discuss the administrative removal of Gordon Wade Rule, a career civil servant suspected of long-term insubordination. Because Rule holds civil service protections that prevent immediate termination, the President authorizes Rush to strip him of all official responsibilities and initiate formal disciplinary charges. The conversation underscores the administration's determination to discipline Rule despite his established influence among congressional allies.","topics":["Gordon Wade Rule","Civil Service","Personnel Administration","Department of Defense","Disciplinary Action"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T04:39:08.724Z"},"topicSlugs":["gordon-wade-rule","civil-service","personnel-administration","department-of-defense","disciplinary-action"],"audioDurationSec":65,"audioFiles":[{"file":"034-137.mp3","bytes":1570710,"durationSec":65.32,"bitrate":192371,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:29.541Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/034-137.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/034-137","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/34/conversation-034-137","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}