{"conversationCode":"035-010","tapeNumber":35,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-035-010","startDateTime":"1972-12-27T15:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-27T15:53:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Dec-1972","startTime":"10:48 AM","endDate":"27-Dec-1972","endTime":"10:53 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Acker, Marjorie P.;","description":"On December 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Marjorie P. Acker talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:48 am and 10:53 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 035-010 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 35-10\n\nDate: December 27, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 10:48 am and 10:53 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n[See Conversation No. 828-10]\n\n       Request for a call to Richard M. Helms\n\nMajorie P. Acker entered at an unknown time after 10:48 am.\n\n       The President’s schedule\n            -White House barber\n\nAcker left at an unknown time before 10:53 am.\n\n       Request for a call to Helms\n            -Location\n            -Security of lines\n            -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]\n\f                                               -15-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                          Conversation No. 35-10 (cont’d)\n\n             -Return call","filename":["035-010.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Acker, Marjorie P."],"prevCode":"035-009","nextCode":"035-011","transcript":[{"start":0.4,"end":6.83,"text":"Operator, would you check to see if Mr. Helms is..."},{"start":6.85,"end":18.14,"text":"I know he's out of the city, but would you check to see..."},{"start":20.41,"end":25.97,"text":"I know he's out of the city, but if he's out of the country, I don't want to talk to him on an open line, but if he's on a line..."},{"start":26.42,"end":28.97,"text":"that he can be talked to, I will talk to him, okay?"},{"start":29.01,"end":30.21,"text":"And it was who, sir?"},{"start":30.23,"end":32.1,"text":"The director, Helm, CIA."},{"start":32.12,"end":32.94,"text":"Oh, yes, sir."},{"start":32.96,"end":35.7,"text":"And just call me back if he's out of the city."},{"start":35.74,"end":36.37,"text":"I need to know."},{"start":36.39,"end":41.32,"text":"I mean, if he can't be talked to by phone, it's perfectly all right, but I just want to know."},{"start":41.34,"end":41.54,"text":"All right."},{"start":41.56,"end":41.8,"text":"Thanks, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with a White House operator and staff member Marjorie P. Acker to arrange a secure telephone call with CIA Director Richard M. Helms. The President emphasized strict security protocols, specifying that he only wished to speak with Helms if the communication line was secure and free from risks associated with the Director’s current travel status. The conversation concluded with the President instructing the operator to verify Helms's location and availability before initiating any contact.","topics":["Richard M. Helms","CIA","Telephone security","White House operations","Presidential communication"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T04:41:31.962Z"},"topicSlugs":["richard-m-helms","cia","telephone-security","white-house-operations","presidential-communication"],"audioDurationSec":47,"audioFiles":[{"file":"035-010.mp3","bytes":1122848,"durationSec":46.64,"bitrate":192598,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:29.541Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:41.442Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/035-010.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/035-010","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/35/conversation-035-010","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}