{"conversationCode":"035-038","tapeNumber":35,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-035-038","startDateTime":"1972-12-28T21:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-28T21:17:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Dec-1972","startTime":"4:16 PM","endDate":"28-Dec-1972","endTime":"4:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On December 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 4:16 pm to 4:17 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 035-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 35-38\n\nDate: December 28, 1972\nTime: 4:16 pm - 4:17 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       The President's schedule\n            -Camp David\n                  -Departure time\n                         -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n                  -Raymond K. Price, Jr.’s schedule","filename":["035-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"035-037","nextCode":"035-039","transcript":[{"start":2.38,"end":3.14,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3.16,"end":5.18,"text":"It'll be just about 10 minutes late."},{"start":5.22,"end":7.07,"text":"Tell Mrs. Nixon to wait 10 minutes."},{"start":7.85,"end":8.13,"text":"All right."},{"start":8.17,"end":9.25,"text":"On the helicopter thing, you know."},{"start":10,"end":14.17,"text":"It'll be about 4.40 rather than 4.30."},{"start":14.23,"end":16.87,"text":"The rate price will be up tomorrow morning, incidentally."},{"start":16.89,"end":17.11,"text":"Fine."},{"start":17.13,"end":17.39,"text":"Fine."},{"start":17.43,"end":17.8,"text":"Good."},{"start":17.82,"end":18.14,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":18.16,"end":18.38,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":18.4,"end":19.02,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull coordinated logistics for a scheduled departure to Camp David. The President instructed Bull to inform First Lady Pat Nixon of a ten-minute delay in their helicopter transport. Additionally, the pair briefly confirmed that Raymond K. Price, Jr. was slated to arrive the following morning.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Camp David","Pat Nixon","Raymond K. Price, Jr.","Logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T04:44:09.071Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","camp-david","pat-nixon","raymond-k-price-jr","logistics"],"audioDurationSec":25,"audioFiles":[{"file":"035-038.mp3","bytes":610601,"durationSec":25.29,"bitrate":193126,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:29.541Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/035-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/035-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/35/conversation-035-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}