{"conversationCode":"035-064","tapeNumber":35,"conversationNumber":64,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-035-064","startDateTime":"1973-01-02T20:12:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-02T20:13:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Jan-1973","startTime":"3:12 PM","endDate":"2-Jan-1973","endTime":"3:13 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 3:12 pm to 3:13 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 035-064 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 35-64\n\nDate: January 2, 1973\nTime: 3:12 pm - 3:13 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\f                                                -59-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 35-64 (cont’d)\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 393-1F]\n\n       Lyndon B. Johnson's schedule\n            -Harry S. Truman's memorial service\n                  -[Thomas] Hale Boggs’s memorial service\n                        -Louisiana\n                  -Wyatt Thomas Johnson, Jr.\n                  -The President’s schedule","filename":["035-064.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"035-063","nextCode":"035-065","transcript":[{"start":0.71,"end":1.25,"text":"Mr. Ball."},{"start":1.55,"end":2.97,"text":"What is your report on Johnson?"},{"start":3.01,"end":4.63,"text":"Do you have a report on that yet?"},{"start":4.65,"end":4.97,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":5.78,"end":9.7,"text":"As of this afternoon, Johnson is not going to attend the memorial service."},{"start":9.72,"end":15.23,"text":"He's going to attend the Boggs Memorial Service in Louisiana, but he's not going to attend this one."},{"start":15.25,"end":16.55,"text":"Not as of now, Mr. President."},{"start":16.57,"end":19.88,"text":"Well, I need to know definitely, so have somebody find out, okay?"},{"start":20.06,"end":20.48,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":20.58,"end":21.12,"text":"Who can do it?"},{"start":21.46,"end":22.55,"text":"Well, right now, he's..."},{"start":23.25,"end":26.02,"text":"Continuing to check with Tom Johnson, his old press secretary."},{"start":26.04,"end":26.64,"text":"Fine, fine."},{"start":26.76,"end":27.86,"text":"Call him and find out."},{"start":27.98,"end":29.89,"text":"But as of an hour ago..."},{"start":29.91,"end":31.87,"text":"If he doesn't go, then I should not go."},{"start":31.93,"end":32.5,"text":"See my point?"},{"start":32.88,"end":33.72,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":33.74,"end":36.21,"text":"As of an hour ago, LBJ was not attending."},{"start":36.33,"end":36.69,"text":"Fine."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted Stephen B. Bull regarding former President Lyndon B. Johnson’s attendance at an upcoming memorial service for Harry S. Truman. Nixon expressed concern that his own attendance was contingent upon Johnson's presence, intending to avoid the event if the former president did not attend. Bull was tasked with confirming Johnson’s status through his former press secretary, Tom Johnson, to finalize Nixon's schedule.","topics":["Lyndon B. Johnson","Harry S. Truman","Memorial Service","Presidential Schedule","Thomas Hale Boggs"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T04:46:32.007Z"},"topicSlugs":["lyndon-b-johnson","harry-s-truman","memorial-service","presidential-schedule","thomas-hale-boggs"],"audioDurationSec":43,"audioFiles":[{"file":"035-064.mp3","bytes":1030023,"durationSec":42.79,"bitrate":192587,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:29.541Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:41.450Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/035-064.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/035-064","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/35/conversation-035-064","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}