{"conversationCode":"035-103","tapeNumber":35,"conversationNumber":103,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-035-103","startDateTime":"1973-01-09T15:02:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-09T15:03:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Jan-1973","startTime":"10:02 AM","endDate":"9-Jan-1973","endTime":"10:03 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); McFall, John J.;","description":"On January 9, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and John J. McFall talked on the telephone from 10:02 am to 10:03 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 035-103 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 35-103\n\nDate: January 9, 1973\nTime: 10:02 am - 10:03 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with John J. McFall.\n\n[See Conversations No. 836-6A]\n\f                                               -96-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 35-103 (cont’d)\n\n       Congratulations for McFall's selection as House Democratic Whip\n            -California\n            -Speaker of the House\n            -Political ambitions\n                   -McFall’s childhood\n                   -Nixon’s experiences in Yorba Linda, California\n            -McFall’s career\n                   -Law\n                         -Farming\n            -Congressional leadership meeting","filename":["035-103.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","McFall, John J."],"prevCode":"035-102","nextCode":"035-104","transcript":[{"start":0.27,"end":24.08,"text":"please congressman thank you here you are sir there you are hello good morning mr president well as a fellow californian i want to congratulate you for for starting on the road to speaker well i don't know whether it's the road to speaker uh 10 or 15 years or i'll tell you well you're a young fellow you can well i was delighted to see it and uh you know we can uh"},{"start":24.06,"end":26.91,"text":"It's good to have our states recognized."},{"start":26.93,"end":29.23,"text":"Did you ever expect this when you came to the House?"},{"start":29.53,"end":30.67,"text":"No, sir, I did not."},{"start":31.03,"end":41.11,"text":"When I was throwing rocks at those cows out in California when I was about 14 years old and you told me I was going to be a congressman, I'd have said you were crazy."},{"start":41.33,"end":46.42,"text":"I had exactly the same thing when I was used to hoe weeds around the tomato plants in Yerba Linda."},{"start":47.88,"end":48.8,"text":"That's right."},{"start":49.17,"end":52.52,"text":"I wanted to be a lawyer because I knew I couldn't make a living on the farm."},{"start":52.78,"end":53.36,"text":"That's right."},{"start":53.5,"end":54,"text":"That's right."},{"start":54.06,"end":57.27,"text":"Well, and making a living as a lawyer is almost as hard."},{"start":57.31,"end":61.38,"text":"Well, anyway, good luck, and we'll see you at a leadership meeting one time."},{"start":61.54,"end":61.87,"text":"All right."},{"start":61.92,"end":64.31,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon telephoned Representative John J. McFall to offer congratulations on his selection as House Democratic Whip. The conversation served primarily as a professional courtesy, briefly bridging the two men's shared California backgrounds and humble upbringings in agriculture. Nixon concluded the brief exchange by expressing interest in meeting McFall again during a future congressional leadership session.","topics":["John J. McFall","House Democratic Whip","Congressional leadership","California politics","Political careers"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T04:50:14.545Z"},"topicSlugs":["john-j-mcfall","house-democratic-whip","congressional-leadership","california-politics","political-careers"],"audioDurationSec":69,"audioFiles":[{"file":"035-103.mp3","bytes":1662611,"durationSec":69.13,"bitrate":192394,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:29.542Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:41.454Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/035-103.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/035-103","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/35/conversation-035-103","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}