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Conversation 035-118

TapeTape 35StartTuesday, January 9, 1973 at 4:11 PMEndTuesday, January 9, 1973 at 4:15 PMParticipantsEhrlichman, John D.;  Nixon, Richard M. (President)Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On January 9, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone from 4:11 pm to 4:15 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 035-118 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 35-118

Date: January 9, 1973
Time: 4:11 pm - 4:15 pm
Location: White House Telephone

John D. Ehrlichman talked with the President.

[See Conversation No. 401-16D]

       The President's schedule
            -Meetings with the President
                  -Counsellors
                         -Cabinet
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                                                          Conversation No. 35-118 (cont’d)

                        -Meeting with Ehrlichman
                  -Donald E. Johnson
                        -Veteran Administration [VA]
                  -Russell E. Train
                        -Council on Environmental Quality [CEQ]
                        -[John A. Busterud, Beatrice E. Willard]
                  -CEQ
                        -William D. Ruckelshaus
                        -Busterud
                        -[Willard]
                        -Train
                        -Retentions
                  -Johnson
                        -Possible substitute
                        -Political ambitions
                               -Olin E. (“Tiger”) Teague
                  -Duration
                  -Peter J. Brennan
                        -Confirmation of hearings
                  -Previous meetings
                  -Counsellors
                        -Second term reorganization
                               -Announcement
                        -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                               -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
                        -Forthcoming meetings
                        -Duration
                  -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                        -Stephen B. Bull
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Yeah.
Mr. Ehrlichman, return your call, sir.
Yes.
What name?
Do you have any?
The only useful, John, the only ones that I could recommend right now would be the three counselors, if you want to meet with them to kick off their...
Individually?
No, no, collectively.
Mm-hmm.
Other than those two, there isn't anybody in the cabinet that you need to see.
Well, if it's useful, as I said, my point is that I...
I've been meeting with the three of them.
Is there any other?
Anybody else in the government?
Yes, there are two.
Don Johnson at the VA and Russ Train and his two new CEQ people.
The problem with the environmental quality people is that you have now seen Ruckelshaus and you have not seen the two new
um commissioners except in in a very pro-formal way and uh so i think there there is something to be gained by seeing buster rude and the lady with rust train and to say to them that i want you to continue in the second term they know that they're are they all planning to continue well they don't know they haven't been told and so they're on tender hooks so i don't let me say that the
If I see them, I'd be glad to be sure they are told before they come in.
Oh, sure.
So that I don't want to have them in there and say, well, we don't want to stay.
Oh, no, they all do want to stay very much.
Fine, fine.
Okay, tell them that's the purpose of it.
Right.
That would make a logical thing.
Don Johnson, we're going to keep on at least for a while until we can come up with a really good...
substitute.
Well, he probably wants to run for governor or something.
I would imagine so eventually, and he's got a new congressional situation because Tiger Teague, as you know, has gone off the chairmanship of that committee, and so it's logical to keep him on for a while.
We can run these on the basis of 10 minutes, 15 to 20 maximum, and we'll figure a little more than that, but I mean, we'll tell them we've got to, these are just brief appointments to tell them, you know, to
discuss a great deal of substance, but to inform them of their thing.
That's all you have in mind.
That's really all you need to do.
Now, if you want to expand that, you can.
You could have, well, actually, Brennan, it wouldn't hurt to have back, but those fellows are involved in their
In their confirmations, yeah.
Yeah, and also having seen them all before.
That's right.
That's right.
There's really no reason.
The counselors probably could be seen for the purpose of what?
Well, we've announced the reorganization now, and we're sending them letters saying, well, you're at least sending capital letters saying you want him to get in business as a counselor right away and drop the OMB thing.
And so you'd be saying to him, okay, boys, you're off and running, and this is the first of a number of contacts we'll be having in your new capacity, and I just wanted to, you know, kind of touch base with you as I start out.
That should be a probably half-hour meeting time.
All right, John, fine.
Bob is just coming out.
I'll pass these on, and he'll give them to Bo, and we'll try to work them out over the next two or three days.
Very good.
Fine, okay.
Thank you.
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