{"conversationCode":"035-130","tapeNumber":35,"conversationNumber":130,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-035-130","startDateTime":"1973-01-12T02:42:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-12T02:43:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Jan-1973","startTime":"9:42 PM","endDate":"11-Jan-1973","endTime":"9:43 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Lynn, James T.;","description":"On January 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and James T. Lynn talked on the telephone from 9:42 pm to 9:43 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 035-130 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 35-130\n\nDate: January 11, 1973\nTime: 9:42 pm - 9:43 pm\n\f                                            -113-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 35-130 (cont’d)\n\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with James T. Lynn.\n\n[See Conversation No. 838-12]\n\n       The President schedule\n            -Cabinet meetings\n                  -Confirmations\n\n       Lynn's confirmation hearings\n            -Timing\n                  -Harrison A. Williams, Jr.\n            -Housing issue\n                  -George W. Romney’s housing speech [at National Association of Home\n                    Builders meeting in Houston, January 8, 1973]\n                        -Paul H. O'Neill\n                              -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]","filename":["035-130.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Lynn, James T.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Lynn, James T."],"prevCode":"035-129","nextCode":"035-131","transcript":[{"start":0.5,"end":27.2,"text":"hello mr james land the new secretary hello uh we aren't going to have a cabinet meeting until you guys are confirmed but i just wanted you to know that we haven't forgotten yet and that uh we're pulling for you good and uh i was going to have the counselors in but i find somebody was testifying so i'm going to wait till after the 20th which is good just as well good and uh when do you get confirmed or you know i know they're holding"},{"start":27.18,"end":32.83,"text":"me hostage a little at the moment, but I heard a wiggle of news when I was in Senator Williams' office yesterday."},{"start":33.31,"end":36.19,"text":"My guess would be next week or the week after next."},{"start":36.39,"end":39.13,"text":"But they're having their fun with our housing actions."},{"start":39.27,"end":40.72,"text":"Oh, sure, the housing thing."},{"start":40.74,"end":44.16,"text":"But Romney showed a lot of guts to take it on, didn't he?"},{"start":44.2,"end":44.84,"text":"He really did."},{"start":45.1,"end":50.21,"text":"Let me tell you, he was handled so damn skillfully by Paul O'Neill over at OMB to get him in that posture."},{"start":50.23,"end":53.57,"text":"Well, good luck, and we stand all behind you."},{"start":53.95,"end":55.77,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called James T. Lynn to offer encouragement regarding Lynn’s pending cabinet confirmation and to explain the scheduling delay for upcoming cabinet meetings. The two discussed the progress of the confirmation process in the Senate, specifically addressing political hurdles raised by Senator Harrison A. Williams, Jr. They also briefly commended outgoing Secretary George W. Romney for his recent public stance on housing, acknowledging the behind-the-scenes role played by Paul O'Neill at the Office of Management and Budget in shaping that position.","topics":["Cabinet confirmation","Housing policy","George W. Romney","James T. Lynn","Office of Management and Budget","Senate hearings"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T04:52:45.280Z"},"topicSlugs":["cabinet-confirmation","housing-policy","george-w-romney","james-t-lynn","office-of-management-and-budget","senate-hearings"],"audioDurationSec":61,"audioFiles":[{"file":"035-130.mp3","bytes":1456345,"durationSec":60.53,"bitrate":192468,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:29.542Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:41.457Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/035-130.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/035-130","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/35/conversation-035-130","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}