{"conversationCode":"036-116","tapeNumber":36,"conversationNumber":116,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-036-116","startDateTime":"1973-01-30T18:18:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-30T18:20:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Jan-1973","startTime":"1:18 PM","endDate":"30-Jan-1973","endTime":"1:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On January 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 1:18 pm to 1:20 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 036-116 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.3","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part III","chronReleaseDate":"23-Jun-2009","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 36-116\n\nDate: January 30, 1973\nTime: 1:18 pm - 1:20 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[Conversation No. 406-8]\n\n       Herbert Stein's economic report\n            -Timing of release\n            -Congress\n            -Briefing\n                   -Timing","filename":["036-116.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"036-115","nextCode":"036-117","transcript":[{"start":0.81,"end":1.25,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.11,"end":3.61,"text":"Ron."},{"start":3.63,"end":3.91,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.91,"end":10.08,"text":"I wonder if you could check to see whether Stein could slip that economic report one day."},{"start":11.04,"end":18.77,"text":"I think it's supposed to go tomorrow, but the problem we have here is that this other story is just going to top it beyond belief."},{"start":18.79,"end":20.54,"text":"The British thing isn't going to mean a goddamn thing."},{"start":20.56,"end":21.46,"text":"I mean, there's nothing there."},{"start":22.22,"end":25.7,"text":"That's just a pure pageantry, but do you know whether it can be done or not?"},{"start":26.14,"end":29.97,"text":"Well, it's locked by law, the economic report."},{"start":30.42,"end":35.94,"text":"I mean, well, he just can't delay it a day."},{"start":36.7,"end":37.38,"text":"I'm sure he can't."},{"start":37.4,"end":38.42,"text":"Let me check, Mr. President."},{"start":38.44,"end":46.98,"text":"But as I recall, we requested a delay, and they fixed a date in the legislation for the economic report to go up."},{"start":47,"end":50.51,"text":"We're briefing this afternoon at 3 o'clock on the economic report, see?"},{"start":51.97,"end":53.33,"text":"Well, when is it going to?"},{"start":53.67,"end":54.12,"text":"For release?"},{"start":54.13,"end":57.16,"text":"For noon release tomorrow, say."},{"start":57.18,"end":57.28,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":57.3,"end":60.3,"text":"How about, why don't you brief it at 3 o'clock for AM release?"},{"start":63.29,"end":64.27,"text":"I really believe you should."},{"start":65.63,"end":67.63,"text":"From the standpoint of... Screw the Congress."},{"start":67.71,"end":68.88,"text":"Don't worry about that, Rod."},{"start":68.92,"end":70,"text":"I'll worry about the Congress."},{"start":70.36,"end":71.6,"text":"Put it out for AM release."},{"start":71.76,"end":72.38,"text":"Now, that's an order."},{"start":72.44,"end":73.22,"text":"Get it done, okay?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler about delaying the release of Herbert Stein’s economic report to avoid competition with other news cycles. Despite Ziegler's concerns regarding legal requirements and legislative constraints, Nixon insisted on shifting the briefing to an AM release schedule. The President directed Ziegler to prioritize this change, dismissing potential congressional backlash.","topics":["Economic Report","Herbert Stein","Media Strategy","Press Relations","Congressional Relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:06:04.227Z"},"topicSlugs":["economic-report","herbert-stein","media-strategy","press-relations","congressional-relations"],"audioDurationSec":78,"audioFiles":[{"file":"036-116.mp3","bytes":1886688,"durationSec":78.49,"bitrate":192290,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:30.084Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/036-116.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/036-116","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/36/conversation-036-116","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}