On January 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 8:21 pm to 8:57 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 036-126 of the White House Tapes.
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Yeah.
Yes, sir, Mr. President.
How's your morale?
Well, my morale is good.
Yeah.
Fine.
Are you home?
I just got home, yes, sir.
Yeah.
My God, you're working late.
Yeah.
What to do?
We keep getting away each day to get the most we can out of our time story.
That's the thing to do, yes.
Well, I'm not happy yet that we're getting what we want, but we're... Well, it's going to take a little time, and it's...
You know, it must be discouraging to some of your fellows, you know, they sort of expected people to, particularly even some of our critics, to come along, you know, even grudgingly, but they won't because this is what they didn't want.
Oh, that's right.
That's why they're really dying, but that's all right.
The country feels pretty good about it.
Well, the country feels great.
I get nothing but strong emotional feeling from people I talk to across the country.
Of course, that was your speech.
And everything that we've had to get since then, we've been clawing for.
Although it was a little bit down this weekend that we weren't getting enough editorials, but then I got another batch today.
They're beginning to come in, are they?
Yeah, they're beginning to come in from around the country.
You get them from Dallas and Tulsa and Birmingham, and they're very different than the ones we read from.
from the big papers that quickly come in.
They're picking up now.
We're getting better play on that.
We're getting some of our columnists are shaking loose.
I think they were all, I think we took them all by shock last week.
Yeah, could be.
Even the fellows that we normally get.
And our television will begin now to have some impact.
We're getting additional people on.
Conley's going to do the Today Show this week.
Uh-huh.
I've talked to John.
He's very upbeat on talking about you personally and the courage and withstanding the pressures and the critics.
When did you talk to him?
I talked to him yesterday.
I talked to him again today.
He's going to see you tomorrow.
Is he in town?
Yes, sir.
I thought he was in Algeria.
No, he's back.
He's doing the Today Show Thursday.
He's coming in to see you tomorrow.
I think he's about ready to make his move also, Mr. President.
He asked me if I thought he should do it on the day show this week, and I said, well, I wouldn't waste it there.
Well, it's his way, though, isn't it?
Yeah, it's his way to kind of drop it out.
It's his way to kind of drop it out.
There was an unfortunate story in the Star tonight about, I don't know if you saw it on the front page, about your backing Connolly.
There was a recent visit of the White House.
I'll quote you as saying something positive about Connolly.
Right.
And it's Elisagor.
It's a Chicago Daily News trail, hasn't it?
So I hope that doesn't... John is such a delicate commodity to deal with.
I've had him two or three times, right?
Nobody has been in.
I don't know who the hell they're talking about.
No, I don't either.
Probably just make it up, you know, that Elisagor would, you know.
He's just trying to stir things up.
The Washington Press Corps is in a state of...
Oh, boy.
I did that little op-ed piece for the New York Times.
Yeah, I thought that was, I thought you really stuck it to him.
Well, gee, Ziegler had about ten minutes in his briefing of putting him down, and I must say, Ron did an absolutely spectacular job.
He said, you know, I've been telling you fellows there wasn't any split between the two, and you keep printing it, and so, you know, the
Colson Lakes, you're absolutely right, but boy, have they been calling this afternoon in my office.
Really?
Yes, sir, and offering interviews, and of course, I don't talk to them.
Sidi called and said he wanted to do a... Never, never see him?
No, but he said he wanted to, because time back then, you know, my libel problems.
That's right, but never, never, time has had it now, in my opinion, after they...
After a week, they ran that pornographic Brando thing.
Oh, isn't that, yeah.
That finished, I mean, believe me, not Seide, not Schechter, nobody from time, they're finished.
Well, we've shaken them up, though.
I must say that the thing last week really did have an impact on them because they turned off a Watergate story that they were going with this week.
Sorry, just let them worry.
Lawyers say that they're now reviewing everything that's said about us.
Seide's call to me was to
I wanted to do a U.S. News type, World Report type interview.
They'd print the whole thing without editing.
Don't do it.
No, but it's... That's right.
I agree.
I agree.
I just...
But it shows that they're really... Yeah, yeah.
You know, they're really... See, Seide is in real trouble now because he's broken his pick.
They've issued orders that nobody's to see him for the four years.
Now let him cover the presidency without seeing anybody in the White House.
He's going to have one hell of a time, isn't he?
Well, it's obviously having its impact on him.
He was crawling.
To make this guy have an offer, they've never done that.
They're all...
I think they know if we can just keep the pressure on and keep exploiting it and keep letting our people talk about it and use Conley and use Brennan and Dr. Elliot Richardson, he'll be good.
Sure he will.
He'll get the right TV opportunity for him.
Sure he will.
You know, we've had a good reaction out around the country.
I must say the clippings that our friends have been sending in, like Sonny Metz in Connecticut sent in one of the big headlines where he's in the...
you and your courage and then took off on the George McGoverns and Jane Fonda's and just kicked the hell out of them.
You know, we are getting it out around here.
That's good.
Well, I think probably more is getting out than we see.
We sit here and we just read the news summary and the Post and the Times and look at a couple of networks and it's not very encouraging, but on the other hand, you don't get discouraged about it.
You just keep plugging away because you realize that
The whole establishment has a whole reputation.
Everything it stood for is out there.
If this comes off, everything they have stood for proves to be wrong, and they therefore have to constantly do everything they can to destroy it.
Oh, they're really dying, Mr. President, because if... That's right.
They are.
Well, they may be dying, but they're fighting hard.
Oh, sure.
Fighting like tigers.
And our people, of course, have got to not be naive and not go caving...
you know, and sucking our eye out or pandering to them.
That's the thing.
Oh, that's right.
To me, that's the most critical thing of all.
I think if we keep the pressure on, the things that have started really since the election, but the way in which we've treated the Post and the fact they've had some license challenges, the time access repeal, which you've approved are going forward with now rocks the hell out of the networks and helps the movie people.
freezing out time.
I mean, we just, we froze them out for a week and threatened a rival suit, and my God, they're crawling on their hands and knees.
Each one of these things has its impact, but I think now, if we just hang tough and continue to do each one of these things and cater to our friends and just ignore the bastards that have been so wrong.
Of course, it's interesting, as you pointed out, that both, you know, Henry spent an hour with the Newsweek people, the
He got nothing out of it, of course, which I just let him do it because he was aching to do Schecter, and I wouldn't let him do it.
I said, I'll do Newsweek.
He's one to do.
There's another fellow over there, a Jewish fellow.
And so he's finally getting a little message.
He never learned so permanently.
When is Scali going to get confirmed, or is he?
Well, he had his hearings, of course, and...
I would think by the end of this week, Mr. President.
I think that the main thing with him is not for him to go on publicly at this point.
I don't want to hurt his...
Boy, he can really background the hell out of people, and he should.
Well, he's been doing some of this.
Has he already?
Yes, not as much as I would like, frankly, because...
He's been busy with his hearings.
Well, he had to bone up for his hearings yesterday.
And also, he can't get caught doing it because some of those factors will be after him.
He's done some.
He's been helpful with some of the people that he has the best relationships with.
I know he's talked extensively with Hensley, whose stuff is good when it moves, although he doesn't write as much as I would like.
He's not full of the magazine people last week.
The magazine people, they're pretty hard for time to do a whole piece on the...
cease fires, as Goldman says, without giving any notice to the president.
Isn't that something?
Our big weapon, Mr. President, is, well, it's two things.
It's editorials, because that sets people's opinions to a degree.
But the other thing is television.
That's right.
Your church service Sunday night was absolutely one of the best things I think I've ever seen on television.
That was just
utterly spectacular.
And I don't know that Bob agrees with me.
We talked about this today.
I think that next to your speech has to rank as one of the most emotional things that I can't think of anything that would have more impact on people.
That had one hell of an audience, considering the time on a Saturday night.
In New York, it had
cbs had a 12.4 rating but they they figure about 20 million people um that church service and that was like that huffman was just excellent and the picture he sure was he was really superb and feeling in it and seeing you and mrs nixon and julie uh sitting there praying and the and the uh it all had a marvelous town to it it was just
and also i think that works for dying with it i guess and the commentators that the last poor devil that died it turns out to have a wife and five kids that are all standing up real patriots that was great they could have found a real real meal there but they didn't and she apparently on television i did not see it last night but but the people who saw it uh just said it was a it was a heart-rending performance i mean she talked about
worthwhile, if there's a lesson in it, to stand up for the country.
I must say the prisoners' wives, and Father of the first boy that was killed in Vietnam, has been on.
That stuff has had a huge impact.
I think that gets through.
I don't think even the...
Some of this may get through more than all the little flip-flops that poor Henry gets into and all the rest.
I think it gets through a hell of a lot more than most.
It was kind of amusing today the way the reporters tore into Ziegler on the front of my op-ed piece.
There's about five pages in Ziegler's transcript that I'm reading through, but the thing that they were really incensed about, one of them said, are you going to try to find the source of who put out the original story that there was a rift between the president and Kissinger?
My God.
Well, the fellow who's asking the question is someone that I think Henry was feeding all of this stuff to, right?
Do you think Henry was feeding it?
Oh, yeah.
He was talking to Reston and Kraft and those guys.
See, what I did was to say that that was completely a fabrication of the media.
Well, a couple of guys in the media don't think it was fabricated.
Ah, I see.
And I got a little report tonight, which I gave to Ziegler, that we both decided we should not tell it to Henry, that Reston is so mad over it.
He's thinking of blowing the whistle on Henry.
We don't want to tell Henry because he's...
He is thinking of blowing the whistle?
Yes, sir.
He and Kraft are just furious that... You mentioned Kraft in your piece, too, didn't you?
Yes, sir.
So you mentioned... And you took both Reston and Kraft on, I hope.
I took Reston, Kraft, Rather, Braden, Osborne.
That's right.
The whole goddamn world.
Well, they're both, you know, just took... Yeah.
Here's what they said.
But Reston...
It might be statutory if he did.
Well, I... You know, I don't want to...
I mean, mainly because it'll make Henry so damn mad.
And also, it'll maybe teach him a lesson.
I don't want any of us to do it, but if Henry could just learn that talking to the Russians in the crafts is dangerous, then he would quit doing it.
Well, you see, what the piece that I wrote said was that this was something that was completely cocktail social gossip.
made it to hard news at a time when it could only undermine the president's negotiations.
If one of these guys got that from Henry, then he's going to take kindly to Mike, cutting him and accusing him of manufacturing it.
I suppose the way that Arreston will handle it will say, well, he knows from the best of sources, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, but I don't know.
That doesn't mean anything.
No, no.
The whole purpose of this exercise, frankly, is to
so that they know that when they were just saying, you got out on the Limboys and we sorted it off.
That's what I'm saying.
Did you get it from a fairly good source that Reston really is?
7 o'clock tonight, I got a call saying, Jesus, you better warn Henry.
And this was from a good source within the NSC staff, who's one of our loyalists, who said just Henry's about to get the whistle blown.
But Kraft and Reston are just madder than hornets at this.
that they're being accused of manufacturing this because they say their source is firsthand.
But we don't want them to do that quite yet.
Henry's got to do some television, and we've got to get him... Well, he's got to do television.
He's got a very important trip and all that sort of thing.
We've got to get him in the right frame of mind.
That's right, that's right, that's right.
But, you know, that may be one of the things that's bothering him a little.
He knows damn well what we went through in December and early January.
I mean...
Oh, sure.
I mean, we went through that.
Remember your long conversations on the phone?
That agonizing weekend, and then he called Kraft the next day.
On the 2nd?
On the 2nd.
And then Kraft, of course, wrote that story on the 4th, which said that Kissinger had been compromised.
I'm sure Kraft thinks he got it directly from Kissinger.
But that's all right.
This little exercise, I didn't do it with this purpose in mind, but it may...
And to keep Henry a little bit honest, especially if those fellows have called him to scream a little, as I suspect they have.
Called him, huh?
I'm sure.
Keep slugging them.
We have been getting some of the attack stuff.
Sure, I know.
Not enough.
I know it's hard, and no, hell, I know everybody's trying, but I think part of the reason is, Chuck, is that you can't get it across at this point.
First, I think there is shock among our own troops.
I mean, they were, they all, many of them got out in the wrong limb in the bombing thing.
Second, there is consternation and just a furious frustration
among the lips.
Good God, they are...
They don't know what the hell to do with this.
Well, well... Do you sense that?
Does Scali finally see this, or will he admit it?
Not really.
Well, I haven't really put it to John quite that way.
We haven't really discussed it in those terms.
Clausen said, of course... What's Clausen say?
Does he agree with this?
Oh, yes.
He said, God, you know, it just... We've shattered them, and there isn't any question that they have been very badly hurt.
And, of course, this is not a... You know, this is not like a...
This is not a one-week or one-day or one-month story.
I mean, this is like China and Russia and other things that have lasted over a long period.
I mean, people still talk about May 8th.
Sure they do.
And they still talk about the China trip and the Moscow summit.
And this is the ending of the Vietnam War.
It's the same thing.
It's going to last longer than either of those.
It will.
And that's why if we do it right, if we use Herman Kahn and...
Sir Robert Thompson and Henry Cavillage, who had a marvelous interview with the New York Times today.
Great interview.
Did it appear?
Yes, sir.
And he's also doing an op-ed piece, which we played tonight next up to the Times.
See if David Bruce would do something.
I asked... Henry?
No, I asked Broody today to be in touch with him on the... Henry's the only guy that can talk to him, not Broody.
Broody doesn't know him that well, you know.
I don't know.
I forget what it was.
He's an old establishment area.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, and Joe Fowler.
He's had a few that
their issue.
There's been a hell of a lot of reporting of hard news and on the budget this weekend.
There's been a rush of it, so it's hard to get the interpretive stuff out, although I think we can now do more of this.
I think we can do more with television, frankly.
I know you had reservations about using Al Haig, although I think we ought to...
I'd use him...
the hell knows so much, and he's so damn good.
Well, and he'll talk about you.
I think he will, yeah.
It'll be very interesting.
No, Al Haig will talk about you, Connolly will talk about you, and he's planning to do that.
Well, Connolly must feel pretty good about this, doesn't he?
You know, he had some doubts about the, not about the bombing, but about not explaining him.
He now sees why, doesn't he?
Yes.
I think Connolly's
Conley's jobber is up right now.
He surprised me yesterday.
I think I mentioned to you, I spent two hours with him the day before the inauguration, and I had him up ready to switch and then off again and then ready to switch, as only Conley can do in a two-hour period.
He's on and off.
But yesterday, I was talking to him about going on the
May 8th and the tough decisions he's had to make and the domestic opposition and how courage and wisdom.
He said, oh yeah, I'll do all that.
He said, maybe I should on the same program announce that I'm switching out of the blue.
And so he made, and then he said he wanted to talk to you.
So I suspect that's what he wants
You can have a lot of fun with these people.
I'm not going to keep slugging at them, Mr. President.
I think we got a few of our people...
I think you do have to keep slugging at them, I'm afraid.
You have to single them out.
I mean, I think you have to be right when you do it.
And we can take them a piece at a time.
Pete Brennan, he wants to crack at a few of the... You know, he's got to be a little careful now.
Yeah.
Senators and such, but he'll go after them.
No, no, no.
He shouldn't stay off the Senate.
He should hit the establishment.
anyway i mean the elitist the elitist yeah that's right and he's great he's gonna we've got him confirmed tomorrow afternoon so he'll be unleashed so to speak and he handles himself incredibly well uh we just i think it's a it's a picking away operation and it's
Our people would.
And also, it's a long term.
But you don't want to let it slip because you just got to keep quack, quack, quack, quack, quack.
Because the other side, they must be sitting in their caves now trying to think of some way to take us on, right?
I hear about the rest in peace on Saturday.
I saw it.
Where he said, don't talk about peace with honor?
No, he wrote a piece about it's foggy in Washington and nobody's here.
Yeah, that's right.
I'm sorry, it was Sunday.
Yeah, I know.
I heard about that.
No celebrating last night in Washington.
He filed that piece on Saturday afternoon.
He said, Georgetown is quiet.
No parties tonight.
No parties last night.
Well, before it naturally had to at 5 o'clock deadline.
You know, he...
think so?
Oh, sure.
That was the utter gasp of total despair on the part of Preston.
You know, there were no parties last night in Georgetown celebrating the piece.
Of course, there weren't any stories before Saturday night.
He didn't want any, did he?
He'd already decided.
I mean, that was his mood, and he was just writing the way he felt.
So I said he's looking in the mirror rather than looking out the window.
Exactly.
No, we'll just keep hitting them and pick our targets carefully.
The one thing, you know, Henry was on me and also Bob on, I guess, Sunday or Monday, I guess it was, that he hit Bob on it first and told me that he'd turn it on and hit me on it the rest of the day.
And he said, well, Gortzman, I got it with him.
I said, Gortzman isn't worth a damn.
You ever read what he's been writing?
What's the fascination that he's got with that crowd?
Chuck, what do you think?
from them, I think that's it.
Well, he can't stand having their scorn.
In other words, he wants to be liked, loved, respected, and he doesn't want to take them on.
No, and he doesn't realize that now he has... Well, he can't have a fit in both camps.
That's his problem, you know, really.
And he doesn't, incidentally, no question about his loyalty, no question about his motives, just the point that he's got this, he knows what they are.
Don't you agree?
Oh, sure.
Oh, sure.
No, he...
He can't quite bring himself to realize that he is no longer their darling.
They would cut him to ribbons if they had the opportunity to.
And he just, you know, he can't quite separate himself.
He's got to realize that for millions of other Americans, he is their darling.
So he's got a new group.
That's right.
He's got a new constituency, and he's got to start looking at that constituency and turn away from these people.
That's right.
It's very hard for them.
I know, I know.
They've eaten together and slept together and a lot of other things.
It's just they're not comfortable with other people.
No, they're elitists.
There are elitists who are practical and aren't arrogant about it.
The community, the intellectual community, is a very arrogant community.
It's a very inbred group.
Sure is.
Well, anyway, it'll be interesting if I doubt if Ressner or Kraft will do anything because they won't want to jeopardize a future source.
They know Henry's going to be around for a while.
They're pretty hopping mad, I feel.
You really think they are?
Yes, sir.
And I gather reading this briefing, they really won't have to run on this.
And it was obvious the guy who was asking the questions had in mind that he had done that firsthand, and by God, they didn't appreciate being told they'd made up the story.
That was the way to smoke them out, though, Chuck.
It really did.
And you know the amazing thing, I hate to say it, I really do, but that goddamn New York Times op-ed page gets an enormous circulation.
Really?
Yes, sir.
It calls from all over the place today.
a few telegrams, you know, kick him again, and some editor of the Buffalo, one of the Buffalo papers who... Evening News, probably, or the Courier, right?
Yeah, no, the managing editor who was a classmate of mine in college.
Just a wide assortment of people.
What did he say, kick him again?
Oh, yeah, he said, Jesus, that was a, he said that was a gasser.
Keep it up.
It's amazing that the... That's right.
The impact, a little thing like, Buchanan had the same experience, you know, when he did that.
I know, I know, I know.
This may be as well to smoke them out then, but I don't think, even though they're hopping mad, I know these people, they're not going to jeopardize their source.
They won't do it.
Yeah, they may not.
Which is all right with me.
I don't want Henry to get too all stirred up before he takes off on his trip.
Now, Ziegler and I talked about it tonight.
We thought it was very important that we not let him know, let him worry about it.
I couldn't agree more.
Just not to add to it, although I think Ron smelled the same thing out of it.
But our loyalists, Mr. President, got it.
This has just been a great thing for them.
Barry Goldwater, I talked to this weekend, who sent out a marvelous mailer, 20,000 pieces across the country to broadcasters and editors, all the things they said.
And Barry said to me, he said, just tell the President, he said, I'll do anything, lay down my life.
He said, the President has fulfilled everything I've ever wanted in life.
He just said, he's thrilled.
He said, what this man has done.
You know, there is that...
I think out here we don't have any leaping for joy because, after all, we didn't bomb them in the Stone Age.
But on the other hand, we have a feeling around the country on our side, our people, that, by God, we stuck the course and we won.
That's right.
That's our point.
That's exactly right.
And I think an awful lot of our guys feel good.
The fact that I wrote a letter to every one of the guys and the supporters and not to those that didn't, that message got through, don't you think?
Marvelous.
Absolutely.
And that was it.
You know, we did get a reaction, which is hard for us in Washington to measure, but ASAE ran that marvelous, thank you, Mr. President, they had all the major papers.
Monday, they pushed the Safeway in giant, ran all their...
Yes, that was Don Kendall who worked on that.
Yeah, Don did that, and ASAE was that fellow we've worked through here in town.
Damn good.
That's good, too.
stuff gets out around the country.
It's very hard to measure.
We'll tell, of course, when Harris or someone here can come up with some numbers.
I wouldn't worry about the numbers, because it's going to be a delayed reaction.
It'll take two, three weeks for this sort of thing to set in.
Well, you know, as the prisoners come home, it's a continuing story.
That's right.
As the troops come out, as the
And there'll be ceasefire violations, but I don't think most people give one damn about that.
No, I don't either.
Or do you?
Provided we're not in it.
Well, if it became a big, continuing, red-hot, page-one news story... No, it isn't.
It isn't going to be that big.
No, if the fighting continued just as if there hadn't been a ceasefire, which is the... No, well, it doesn't.
These are sporadic incidents.
No, no, that's...
I mean, that's the kind of thing that... Well, they have that in the Mideast.
I was just thinking of exactly that comparison.
That's right.
The Israelis bomb the Assyrians, and the Assyrians go into their tanks.
The big story will be, I mean, as a matter of fact, the best story that we have gotten, I think the service Saturday night was a tremendous, tremendous score.
The best thing has been the proof as was.
That's just been...
I suppose some of the MIA wives are disturbed because they don't get reports and all that, but damn it, they had to expect that, you know.
Sure.
She knows for sure.
That's going to come out.
You'd be out tomorrow or the next day.
Oh, great.
We kick them in the ass today.
Oh, that's great.
You see, every time they get out on the limb, well, the economies are being damn reluctant on this, so we just tell something back they wanted from us.
We're going to get the damn list out.
It's only 60, but we'll get them.
Yeah, but that's important.
A lot of other people like your friend Smith Hempstone.
Can he write that?
He's a good writer.
Oh, God, he's a brilliant writer.
Take this damn thing on.
I mean, he writes so well.
He's given us a column.
Maybe we could get something longer like that.
I mean, Smith Hempstone.
Henry talked to him.
Henry spent, good God, Henry, you know, he's got friends, but he spent lunch yesterday with Stuart Alsop and Roley Evans.
He had lunch with them again today with the same people.
Now, fine, they're fine, but good God, can we spread it around a little?
I don't know.
He will.
He will.
Evans has certainly been, Evans and Novak have certainly been, they've been as emotional as anyone who...
They're damn good.
They really have.
We've got to give them every credit, boy, I'm for it.
I really would on this one.
They've come up, they've given us a great play on this.
Quite a bit.
All the columnists that you would expect it from have been terrific, and all the things they said were wrong, and it's...
We'll circulate it more, too.
Everything that's good, pass it around.
We'll just keep the pressure on day in and day out.
Over a few months, we'll have these really running.
It's been interesting, Mr. President, to analyze the lines that the left...
We haven't had one point of attack, really.
And, of course, Mansfield is sounding the call that I expect they're all going to get on, which is don't do it again.
The president does deserve credit.
He deserves credit.
The war is over now.
Let's clean up the wounds of the nation and move forward to our domestic priorities.
Clean up the slums.
Yep.
That's going to be the...
I mean, even our detractors have...
I think one thing that's a very good piece that only Buchanan could write, but of course it can't be put out under him, I mentioned,
because I think you might do this, I think a damn tough article about the shocking reaction of the White House press corps and the columnists and the media to the president's announcement, a shocking reaction that, and of the Doves and the Senate and House, you know what I mean, that instead of being really elated about it, they were basically disappointed, frustrated, furious, because they had, because if we were right, they were wrong.
I think that's a hell of a thing.
I think somebody ought to write that.
I think that's been written.
Mr. President, Lasky was to do that.
He being the one that I knew would...
Well, if he does it, anytime you can, Chuck, $10,000, whether it's the last year.
We just take that, as we've done with Victor before, take it and mail it out.
He doesn't have any credibility in abortion, but out in the country.
Out in the country, I know the difference.
The Youngstown Vindicator.
That's right.
They put them right up on page one, you know, Manchester Union.
Right.
We'll get that one.
I'm confident it's done.
And those papers matter, too.
Damn right.
Oh, well, they have a whale of an
Okay.
We'll have a little fun with them anyway, huh?
We'll keep it up, sir.
All right.
Thank you.