{"conversationCode":"037-053","tapeNumber":37,"conversationNumber":53,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-037-053","startDateTime":"1973-03-05T20:26:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-05T20:27:00.000Z","startDate":"5-Mar-1973","startTime":"3:26 PM","endDate":"5-Mar-1973","endTime":"3:27 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 5, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 3:26 pm to 3:27 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 037-053 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 37-53\n\nDate: March 5, 1973\nTime: 3:26 pm-3:27 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 417-5]\n\n       President's schedule\n              -William P. Rogers\n              -President’s visit to State Department\n                      -Unveiling of plaque\n                      -Names\n                      -Press remarks\n                      -Luncheon\n                      -Conference room\n                      -Rogers’s preference","filename":["037-053.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"037-052","nextCode":"037-054","transcript":[{"start":1.26,"end":5.51,"text":"You'll find out from Rogers."},{"start":5.83,"end":9.43,"text":"What he wants to do is have that luncheon at 1 o'clock with 20 people present."},{"start":9.54,"end":10.18,"text":"I have the list."},{"start":10.74,"end":17.57,"text":"And then he's proposing that you go downstairs to unveil a plaque that contains the names of people."},{"start":17.71,"end":19.55,"text":"Will these other two names be on it by that time?"},{"start":19.69,"end":20.07,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":20.19,"end":20.99,"text":"They will not be on it."},{"start":21.01,"end":22.23,"text":"It's a bronze plaque."},{"start":22.25,"end":28.4,"text":"The idea would be to make some remarks downstairs, public remarks with press."},{"start":29.39,"end":32.24,"text":"Someone over there looking at it to make sure it can be done."},{"start":32.72,"end":42.27,"text":"The other option he offered, I think, would be unacceptable to you, and that would be to address 400 or 500 of the Foreign Service officer people in that large conference room, which I think you do not want to do."},{"start":43.8,"end":44.74,"text":"Well, we had discussed that."},{"start":44.8,"end":45.96,"text":"I wouldn't mind, but we'll see."},{"start":47.42,"end":49.16,"text":"The other option is probably better."},{"start":50.51,"end":51.31,"text":"The black, yes, sir."},{"start":53.11,"end":54.19,"text":"Do you have a preference?"},{"start":55.49,"end":56.67,"text":"I'll talk to him about it."},{"start":56.77,"end":57.8,"text":"I'll see."},{"start":58.06,"end":72.43,"text":"talk to him about it all right sir he said that he favored the plaque well i'll talk to him okay do you want i have you a little i have a you know a complete list of the names no no no that's all right i don't care who he has it's his show all right i'll call him and let you know all right sir thank you"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen Bull discussed the logistics for an upcoming visit to the State Department to meet with Secretary of State William P. Rogers. They reviewed the schedule for a proposed luncheon and an event involving the unveiling of a bronze plaque, while dismissing the idea of a large address to Foreign Service officers. Nixon ultimately deferred to Rogers's preferences regarding the luncheon guest list and the format of the visit.","topics":["State Department","William P. Rogers","Presidential scheduling","protocol","public relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:13:21.283Z"},"topicSlugs":["state-department","william-p-rogers","presidential-scheduling","protocol","public-relations"],"audioDurationSec":79,"audioFiles":[{"file":"037-053.mp3","bytes":565248,"durationSec":79.03,"bitrate":57220,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:30.084Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/037-053.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/037-053","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/37/conversation-037-053","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}