{"conversationCode":"038-001","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-001","startDateTime":"1973-04-13T14:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-13T15:47:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1973","startTime":"9:16 AM","endDate":"13-Apr-1973","endTime":"10:47 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Ehrlichman, John D.; White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Higby, Lawrence M.;","description":"On April 13, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, and Lawrence M. Higby talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:16 am and 10:47 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-001 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-1\n\nDate: April 13, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 9:16 am and 10:47 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nJohn D. Ehrlichman talked with the White House operator.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 895-8A]\n\n     Telephone call to Lawrence M. Higby\n\nEhrlichman conferred with the President at an unknown time.\n\n[Begin conferral]\n\n[See Conversation No. 895-8]\n\n[End conferral]\n\nEhrlichman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time.\n\nEhrlichman talked with Higby at an unknown time.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 895-8B]\n\n     Gordon C. Strachan\n          -Conversation with Earl J. Silbert\n          -Topics\n          -Report by Stephen B. Bull","filename":["038-001.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Ehrlichman, John D.","White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Higby, Lawrence M."],"prevCode":"037-205","nextCode":"038-002","transcript":[{"start":4.17,"end":5.73,"text":"Larry Higbee, please."},{"start":5.75,"end":6.31,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":18.07,"end":25.4,"text":"You saw Mitchell's face?"},{"start":25.42,"end":25.52,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":25.54,"end":26.36,"text":"Hard line."},{"start":26.38,"end":26.74,"text":"Hard line."},{"start":28.32,"end":32.15,"text":"If I had known that, I would have stopped him."},{"start":35.1,"end":35.82,"text":"I'll be right with you."},{"start":35.84,"end":36.18,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":38.92,"end":39.22,"text":"You're welcome."},{"start":39.24,"end":39.52,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":39.54,"end":39.66,"text":"John ."},{"start":39.68,"end":40.16,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":40.18,"end":42.27,"text":"Did Gordon go back yesterday?"},{"start":42.28,"end":43.09,"text":"To my knowledge, no."},{"start":43.13,"end":44.75,"text":"He did contact Silbert, though."},{"start":45.05,"end":46.19,"text":"Do you know what they said?"},{"start":47.99,"end":50.81,"text":"Well, they were going to make arrangements to correct it."},{"start":50.91,"end":52.4,"text":"I don't know the details on how."},{"start":53.2,"end":56.44,"text":"Can you find out and have Steve give me a note here in the president's office?"},{"start":56.96,"end":57.34,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":57.52,"end":57.86,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":58.2,"end":59.27,"text":"Bye."},{"start":64.73,"end":65.24,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman coordinate communication efforts regarding Gordon C. Strachan’s recent interaction with prosecutor Earl J. Silbert. The President expresses concern over John Mitchell’s hardening stance and seeks further intelligence on the nature of the adjustments Strachan intended to make to his testimony or records. Ehrlichman is tasked with investigating the matter and providing a written report to the President through Steve Bull.","topics":["Watergate scandal","Gordon Strachan","Earl Silbert","John Mitchell","Witness testimony"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:27:34.432Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-scandal","gordon-strachan","earl-silbert","john-mitchell","witness-testimony"],"audioDurationSec":65,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-001.mp3","bytes":2088960,"durationSec":65.2,"bitrate":256314,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.069Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-001.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-001","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-001","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}