{"conversationCode":"038-004","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-004","startDateTime":"1973-04-13T19:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-13T20:54:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1973","startTime":"2:47 PM","endDate":"13-Apr-1973","endTime":"3:54 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator;","description":"On April 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 2:47 pm and 3:54 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-4\n\nDate: April 13, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 2:47 pm and 3:54 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n     Telephone call to Stephen B. Bull","filename":["038-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator"],"prevCode":"038-003","nextCode":"038-005","transcript":[{"start":11.12,"end":11.61,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed the White House operator to connect him with Stephen B. Bull for a telephone conversation. This brief exchange served as a routine administrative request to facilitate direct communication between the President and his aide. No substantive policy matters or decisions were discussed during this brief connection process.","topics":["Stephen B. Bull","White House communications","administrative coordination"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:27:50.920Z"},"topicSlugs":["stephen-b-bull","white-house-communications","administrative-coordination"],"audioDurationSec":12,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-004.mp3","bytes":372736,"durationSec":11.56,"bitrate":257948,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.069Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}