{"conversationCode":"038-005","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-005","startDateTime":"1973-04-13T20:54:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-13T20:55:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1973","startTime":"3:54 PM","endDate":"13-Apr-1973","endTime":"3:55 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On April 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 3:54 pm to 3:55 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-5\n\nDate: April 13, 1973\nTime: 3:54 pm - 3:55 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 427-1B]\n\f                                                -3-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 38-5 (cont’d)\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -Joseph J. Sisco","filename":["038-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"038-004","nextCode":"038-006","transcript":[{"start":0.28,"end":3.03,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3.05,"end":3.96,"text":"Steve Bowen."},{"start":4.16,"end":5.96,"text":"I'll be over there to see that flow."},{"start":7.31,"end":7.59,"text":"Cisco."},{"start":7.85,"end":9.53,"text":"Yeah, but tell him it'll be about 420."},{"start":9.55,"end":11.26,"text":"I'm going to be a little late."},{"start":11.28,"end":11.62,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":11.68,"end":12.18,"text":"Fine."},{"start":12.42,"end":20.27,"text":"Thank you, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon coordinated his late afternoon schedule with Stephen B. Bull regarding upcoming meetings. The President instructed Bull to inform Joseph J. Sisco that he would be delayed for their scheduled appointment until approximately 4:20 pm. This brief exchange served to adjust the President's logistical arrangements for the remainder of the day.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Joseph J. Sisco","White House logistics","Time management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:27:56.756Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","joseph-j-sisco","white-house-logistics","time-management"],"audioDurationSec":20,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-005.mp3","bytes":651264,"durationSec":20.23,"bitrate":257586,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.069Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:42.434Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}